how many of you use a mill for making guards

Wow, doesn't that look like the cat's pajamas! Do they still even make computers with a parallel interface? I guess there might be some sort of USB conversion taht might do the job. Or is the CNC software legacy enough that an old computer would be better anyway?

Great Post! Reason I am so exited today is I am picking up my new mill in 1 hour. Ooh, did I mention it was a CNC mill. Best of both worlds.

http://www.syilamerica.com/product_X4_standard.asp

This should make slotting guards and many operations much easier in the future.

Dennis
 
Wow, doesn't that look like the cat's pajamas! Do they still even make computers with a parallel interface? I guess there might be some sort of USB conversion taht might do the job. Or is the CNC software legacy enough that an old computer would be better anyway?

Farmer Phil what are you saying. I looked up that mill and had some questions about it s operations-which ill look into--. But i didnt read anywhere so far where its cnc compatible. It looks awesome though> not too much more than sherline full package--well about twice as much- but this one seems alot more powerful and able to handle much larger jobs.-marekz
 
If your going to get a mill, get the biggest you can afford.Also try to get one that uses r8 tooling as there is tons of available tooling.I have a mini-mill that I mostly use as a drill press,and a Industrial Hobbies mill.The IH mill uses a Rong Fu 45 head with the rest made in America.It is the only benchtop machine with a large machining envelope.It has a 31"x , 12"y , 17"z travels.It is 300# heavier than a Rong Fu45 and as stiff as a full size Bridgeport.I can't recommend it enough.Also, tooling for a machine is going to cost 1/2-2x the machine cost depending on what you want to do.
 
I'm not sure which mill you are referring to Marekz. Are you talking about the beauty Ken Erickson posted a photo of? What link did you go to to see more info? I sure would like to understand all these different types better: mini, micro, knee, etc...

I was referring to the CNC one Dennis Parish posted a link to. The link takes you to a photo of a mill and a computer. It states it uses a parallel printer interface.
 
We use this knee mill all the time. It is a Millrite by Powermatic/Burke. It is one that Charlie had left over from his gunsmithing days and it fit right in with our knife making. It makes fitting a guard a lot easier than just doing it with drills and files. It still takes practice and you have to know how to get the precision out of it. It kicked my butt until Charlie showed me a few tricks with it. I wouldn’t say we couldn’t do without it, but some things are much easier to do with it. This mill is C&H controlled. :cool:


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Great Post! Reason I am so exited today is I am picking up my new mill in 1 hour. Ooh, did I mention it was a CNC mill. Best of both worlds.

http://www.syilamerica.com/product_X4_standard.asp

This should make slotting guards and many operations much easier in the future.

Dennis

now i looked at the site- would yall agree that this mill that Dennis posted would handle most anything. Dennis i didnt see any CNC specs on that link.Maybe i read through it too fast. But for 4,000 dollars--how much more do you think youll spend on parts. when you say best of both worlds -what do you mean. I know on the sherline mini mill it has a digital readout and there an option for a CNC hook up.--Anyhow that link looks interesting. Im figuring that mill plus an extra 2,000 dollars should get it to where youll have all you need. blah blah--thanks marekz--Phil this is the post i was refering to-that you also quoted
 
'Best of both worlds' - I can jog the axis, using it as a manual mill or program G-Code and have it automatically cut and re-cut almost anything within it cutting capacity and work envelope. I wish it had a bigger work envelop, but this fits within my budget.

The spec's are a little lower then the pictures, just scroll down.

I like the sherline mill, but this will cut much, much more.

Dennis
 
Thats a good mill.It is a Rong Fu 45.Rong Fu makes them and many companies sell them under their own brands.It is a fairly heavy machine which adds to rigidity,it has decent travel,takes r8 tooling,and is a square column.Square columns are better than round ones because you wont have to re-square the mill every time you move the head up and down.Also, there are cnc kits available if you choose to add one later.
 
Thats the one Phil.For just basic work like guards and such you'll need some measuring stuff like dial indicators to square the mill,vice,and work.A good vice is mandatory,collets to fit you end mills and your other tooling ,clamping kit,some cooling/lubrication fluid,and the tooling such as end mills.There are so many accessories it boggles the mind.MIT college has some free videos available for viewing that covers many of the basics of a milling machine. cnczone.com is THE PLACE for information on nearly every aspect of metalworking.They have around a hundred forums and using the search feature your able to find just about anything you've ever wanted/needed to know about working with metal.Industrial Hobbies has their own forum there too.
 
Great Post! Reason I am so exited today is I am picking up my new mill in 1 hour. Ooh, did I mention it was a CNC mill. Best of both worlds.

http://www.syilamerica.com/product_X4_standard.asp

This should make slotting guards and many operations much easier in the future.

Dennis

That looks like a compelling machine.

A lot of the "business grade" computers (rather than consumer grade) still come with parallel port and serial port.

The Dell Optiplex is probably your best bet. And they can be had surplus on Ebay for $60-$600. I use them throughout my shops for drip feeds and one PC retrofit (similar to what you'll be doing). I like the small form factor units the best, they don't take up a lot of space.
 
I guess I'm a dinosaur, but if you can't make a knife without a mill, how do you call it handmade? I will admit to using power tools, but not to making parts or fits with a mill. I guess I may be a little hypocritical, as I use PG 01 exclusively, but if it takes a mill to a knife, then I am simply, and totally, unimpressed. knifemaking has developed into style, hype and fad, rather than workmanship. I can remember a time when Randall Knives was useing a mill to fit their grips to the astronaut knives they made. They tried their best to keep it a secret, but I knew people that worked for them. They were also using HT ovens, and keep that secret as best they could. I do not mean to demean, as I know knifemaking has become so highly competitive that one pretty much has to conform, but I see it as a loss to hand skilled knifemaking. It seems as though, anyone with enough money to buy the high tech machinery, can turn out really nice knives, if their design is acceptable, but what is the price in the long haul of things? Are hand skills a thing of the past, when once, you could not even be accepted in the KNIFEMAKERS GUILD, if it was even thought that you used something like a mill to produce your knife? I just do not understand it all. Things are developing into, how good of a machinest you are, rather than how good are you at hand making a knife. Please, no one take offense. These are just the ramblings of an old knifemaker, whose days are growing shortly numbered, but still takes pride in hand making. I apologize if any are offended, but ask that you give thought to the matter.
 
No offense taken LRB! :)

I'm assuming you use only a hacksaw, files, sandpaper, and a coal forge for heat-treating???

Do you use electricity???

Certainly YOU DO NOT use a belt grinder, drill press, disc sander, or any such thing right???

:)
 
McArhon: Is this the IH mill, http://www.ihcnc.com/pages/bed-mill.php, you're talking about? What kind of tooling would one get to get up and running with it or the one Marekz's looking at?

so the link i put up that would be an acceptable mill? --is it compatible with the CNC later on if i wanted. is it all i will need? i asked before but the quote above has 2 different knids mentioned mine and the link.. is the sylva mill --oh crap i am confused. I cant afford anything above a decked out sherline mini mill. But if i wanted to save up for a IH mill 4-5 grand seems just the start. the link i posted ends up being about 5-6 grand with the dig. but it didnt say anything about basic features that they added--so again---6,7,8 grand>? someone tell me which mill to get. a mill that is reputable, reasonable,easy to get parts for, has a digital readout, and is manual and CNC capible if I even ever go that way. a mill that can handle anything a novice needs.--to be honest i dont even have more than a few things i can think of useing it for. But i do want a complete shop to pass on to my 3 year old.--thanks-marekz
 
Making knives with my hands and the few power tools that I do use; grinder, drill, forge, makes me happy and I do so at my leisure. If knifemaking is somebody's main source of income and it keeps them busy enough to want to make a few aspects a little easier (water jet cutting, milling slots, sending out for HT) then that is their BUSINESS, and if it makes them happy, then I feel I should not have any say in the matter. Actually being main source of income or not, really has no bearing, only happiness.
 
Marek-

This is such an overwhelmingly broad question. It's like asking, "what car should I buy?"

I would HIGHLY recommend you find a community college near you and sign up for a quarter worth of machine shop classes. If I had taken the machining classes I've had, BEFORE I purchased the mill I have... I would not have bought it.

You need to get an idea of the basic operation of these things.

I know this is not the answer you want... but let's say I give you an exact model number, a place to buy it, and you order one and have it sent to your door......

NOW WHAT?!?!?!?


:)
 
Let me take this further, you say you want one that's CNC capable.

WHY?

Because someone mentioned that their's is. Do you really need that? Why??? :)

Just reading ideas on the forum is NOT going to help you get what YOU need/want.

You need to get around some machines, see how they work and why, what they're capable of, what their limitations are, etc.

You could get a brand new, fully loaded Bridgeport sent to your shop, and it wouldn't mean jackshit right now since you wouldn't know what to do with it.

Slow down and take a deep breath my friend :)
 
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