How many people carry there knives illegally

Merek said:
Should you find yourself on a jury, and morally, you feel the law that applies to the case being judged is unjust, you can vote to acquit the defendant despite the fact that that person 'broke the law'. You are actually voting on the validity of the law.
http://www.progress.org/archive/fold22.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=fully+informed+jury
THIS is how we can affect our laws. It is our right as Americans.

Regardless of what the judge may tell the jury about deciding the guilt or innocence of the defendant, we as jurers have a perfect legal right to decide for ourselves if the law is wrong and thus vote innocent regardless of the judge's orders.

I for one would not vote to convict someone who defended their life even though they violated a gun or knife law, even if it meant a hung jury.

I believe it was Mark Twain who said sometimes "the law is an a**"

We must acknowledge that some of our laws defy common sense and thus act accordingly - not like sheeple.
 
Way-O said:
Carrying any knife here in Finland is illegal. And the concept of self-defence, when using any kind of "weapon", is pretty much non-existant. Automatics, spikes, bayonets and double-edged knives like daggers are considered "dangerous edged weapons", and getting caught with one gets you in court. Any regular knife gets you fined. (IIRC all this)

I still carry a folder, nothing fancy in case it gets confiscated. There isn't a big chance here to get in a situation where one would have to use a knife against another person. I consider my edc a tool. An acquaintance once told me that he didn't understand why anyone would carry a weapon. I think I was sharpening a pencil or something. I told him I didn't understand why he thought a tool is a weapon. A great many people still carry a leatherman, even though that is illegal as well.

That is totally F#$*ed up! :mad: :mad: such ignorance! I feel bad for you. :(
 
Here in OH I have seen cheap automatics for sale at Autozone. In those little cardboard multipack display things for like $10. Genuine automatics.

I don't even think people know that they are illegal. I don't think they know that buying the knife makes them a felon. I don't think Autozone knows they are furnishing prohibited weapons. I don't think anyone cares.

I carry knives in violation of school policy every day, risking a $50,000 scholarship. I know others that do too. If I ever get caught (it would take a search) I will say I use it for school which is absolutely true, I use it in physics lab almost every day.

The campus policy reads "no knives or blades of any description" yet the male students somehow all seem clean shaven and they sell exacto knives in the campus bookstore.

Our world gets more and more Orwellian by the day. It's going the way of Rand....make everything illegal so that everyone is an offender, thus increasing the power of the government.
 
So now we know.Lots of us carry illegaly and I think some of the forumites who infer that they don't probably do.I guess if you found yourself in a life or death situation the two things that would be on your mind would be,first,the agressor,then,aren't you happy about being a lawbreaker.It's too crazy of a world out there to be unarmed.my two cents.
 
Anyone stupid enough to admit in public that they carry illegal implements should not be terribly surprised if there are negative consequences to such an admission. No one is as anonymous as they believe themselves to be online.
 
#1 Life & death don't work into my equation. I just like larger carrys.
#2 Anyone who wishes to waste their time hunting me down on the offchance they can fine me for illegal carry...c'mon down.
 
I like to carry large on sundays it`s usually the family shopping day i never did untill 2/3 months ago some guy wigged out in depatment store got a new knive from the kitchen supply area and stabbed a young child in the head man this made me so angery i counld`nt live with my self that if it was my son
 
DaQo'tah Forge said:
We dont allow people to disregard the law because we know this would lead to the breakdown of our whole world...

Thus I say again, there is never a good reason to seek to break a known knife law...


What about those who disregard the 2nd Amendment and pass illegal laws taking rights away from citizens. If State, Local and even Federal can't abide by the ultimate law of the country what happens then? ...breakdown of our whole world...
 
If you have a Concealed Carry Permit for your pistol....Does it also apply to a knife

Did you qualify and train for CC with the knife? It would be my guess that if you didn't then it does not cover it.. :confused:
 
dglco
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I believe that the moment a person decided for himself that the goverment is evil, picks up a gun, or a knife and runs out to enforce his own invented laws, that the moment you have true lawlessness...

Every time guys who are against the State try to enforce their own laws appart from the system of Laws (that we have in the country to ammend our laws)...thats when you always end up with dead bodies...

However there is something about this topic that makes some guys think it's ok to do evil that good may come...I just disagree...

What lessons do we bring to the next generation of children that we hope will grow up to bring us credit, if we cant show them how to be a person who is obedient to their parents if we show disrespect for our countries laws...

Every thief thinks he had what he took comming.
People that break the law, do so by holding the idea of keeping the law to a lower standard.
as more and more people show disrspect for the law, we have to build bigger and bigger jails.

How to end this?
thats easy, just keep the Law. even if you disagree strongly with it. for this makes the country a stronger place.

and if you dont wish to keep the law?
thats easy, work to change the law. working to change the law is yet another way to make our country stronger.

But the country is always hurt when people break the law,,,it shows disrespect for all law, and our goverment that enforces the law,,,and also shows disrespect for ourselves....
 
D' Forge,

Obeying THE LAW may seem like such a simple thing from where you stand.

In Texas, you can legally carry a knife with a 5.5" blade.
In California, there is not even a limitation on length of a blade,
but you cannot carry a fixed blade of any length, or a one inch blade disguised
as a lipstick.

Laws vary widely from state to state, or city to city.
Being a decent law-abiding citizen is not necessarily as simple as
"it was illegal for me to stab someone in Texas, if I refrain from that behavior,
here, I should be fine"

No, not that simple, at all.

Many places have laws which are so ambiguous, that you may have no idea there is even a question until you are arrested and the issue goes before a jury.

Read the statute for New Mexico, and tell me what is indisputibly lawful, and what is not.

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New Mexico - Criminal Offenses - 30-1-12. Definitions...
B. "deadly weapon" means any... weapon which is capable of
producing death or great bodily harm, including but not
restricted to any types of daggers, brass knuckles,
switchblade knives, bowie knives, poniards, butcher
knives, dirk knives and all such weapons with which
dangerous cuts can be given, or with which dangerous
thrusts can be inflicted, including swordcanes, and any
kind of sharp pointed canes...
- 30-7-2. Unlawful carrying of a deadly weapon... consists of
carrying a concealed... deadly weapon anywhere, except in
the following cases [own residence or property; private
automobile or other means of conveyance; official]... a
petty misdemeanor.
- 30-7-8. Unlawful possession of switchblades consists of any
person, either manufacturing, causing to be manufactured,
possessing, displaying, offering, selling, lending, giving
away or purchasing any knife which has a blade which opens
automatically by hand pressure applied to a button, spring
or other device in the handle of the knife, or any knife
having a blade which opens or falls or is ejected into
position by the force of gravity or by any outward or
centrifugal thrust or movement. Whoever commits unlawful
possession of switchblades is guilty of a misdemeanor.

New Mexico Case Law:
- "Jury to determine character of weapon..." (1973)
- "...a butterfly knife was a switchblade..." (1991)

**********************************************

Is a 2 inch knife a "deadly weapon"? Is a sharpened pencil?
Is a chopstick? How about the plastic toys available from Cold Steel
(which look like chopsticks?)

A switchblade is illegal here, swell.
A butterfly is legally a switchblade. (although it obviously is no such thing)
Is an "assisted open" knife a switchblade? who knows?
Nobody in NM will know until somebody gets arrested, and gets prosecuted
for it.... meanwhile, they are sold quite openly at the gunshows here, which have no shortage of city and State police wandering around.

Come to think of it, as I read that, 50% of the men I see daily wearing a
knife in a belt sheath, or clipped on their jeans pockets are not wearing it concealed.... or are they????

If my knife is clipped to my pocket it is not concealed, but if I sit down at a restaurant you can't see it... so am I obeying the law or aren't I?

If I am sitting in the steakhouse and I cover my steak knife with
my napkin, am I SUDDENLY an outlaw? Is the difference between
being a good citizen and an outlaw really that vague and arbitrary?

Some places, depending on whether a cop thinks you are a "good citizen" or
a "creep", depending on whether the DA rolls his eyes, and whether a jury
sees it the same way..... maybe..... and maybe not.

Don't be so smug that you are a "good citizen" when a difference of 1 mile,
or a knife slipping from clipped to your pocket to inside your pocket,
is the difference between lawful and potentially felonious.


--Travis--
 
What is considered an assisted open knife??? Also, what is a gravity knife??? Like a spyderco with the hole??? :confused: Oh yeah, to answer the original question, I carry a knife to the bar because two years ago, on the way back to my car, three punks attacked me and I swore that the next time I was attacked by multiple assailants that I would send somone to the er. This is a problem where I live with people randomly attacking people near the club district and please come and arrest me now, I am soo scared....jeeez, some people.
 
Sharp Phil said:
Anyone stupid enough to admit in public that they carry illegal implements should not be terribly surprised if there are negative consequences to such an admission. No one is as anonymous as they believe themselves to be online.
Thank you, Phil. As Col. Jeff Cooper has noted, paranoia is merely a heightened sense of reality.
 
Even if I think a law is wrong, I will obey it anyway.
In my way of thinking, I would far rather be dead than do time in prison.
I do my best to know and abide by the laws of both the state I live in,
and the states I travel through.
 
That's a joke, right?? Rather be dead??? You say that but in all seriousness if the time came when you needed that knife you were afraid to carry you would seriously regret not having it. Most people who jump off bridges wish they hadn't after they jumped, there is a study of those who survived these suicide attempts, my point being that when it came time to actually do the dying, you would feel differently and that is all there is to it, all glib public sentiment be damned. Also, I am not really sure under what circumstances a previously law abiding citizen would wind up in prison as opposed to on probation at worst anyhow??? As an aside, at what point do you start to think for yourself and question some of these laws you automatically obey?? Not suggesting anyone just arbitrarily break the law, merely think for oneself. :)
 
mthall47 said:
Even if I think a law is wrong, I will obey it anyway.
In my way of thinking, I would far rather be dead than do time in prison.
I do my best to know and abide by the laws of both the state I live in,
and the states I travel through.
".....and there was a great bleating from the sheep as the wolves ran unchecked among them."
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ANGRYMOB said:
What is considered an assisted open knife???

an assisted open knife is any knife that opens with the assistance of a spring.

to answer the original question i carry knives that are considered legal bow ever i was told by about 20 cops that my knives a illegal because of my age
 
I'll say it again.....
"Should you find yourself on a jury, and morally, you feel the law that applies to the case being judged is unjust, you can vote to acquit the defendant despite the fact that that person was said to have 'broken the law'.
It all boils down to the fact that you, and the rest of the jury, are ultimately voting on the validity of the law. To blindly vote someone as 'guilty' is an injustice if the law is a bad law. This is one of the ways our system deals with changing things (hopefully for the better) every year.
Another method is through social disobedience, ferinstance.....carrying an 'illegal' knife (and having a great lawyer and a well informed jury). It is not a rebellion, it is an attempt to stave off and possibly prevent the 'Nerf-itization' of our future where nothing will have sharp edges. It needs to be shown and understood that the person is the cause, NOT the inanimate object they happened to choose for a weapon. Declaring a certain size or type of knife as illegal will not save lives.
http://www.progress.org/archive/fold22.htm
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...y+informed+jury
THIS is how we can affect our laws. It is our right as Americans."
 
Luckily, I live in Arizona. It is actually difficult to break weapon laws here. I carry a 7 inch fixed blade in my car, sitting on the seat out in the open. If I were in a state where it was illegal, I would simply tuck it under the seat. If I ever used an illegal weapon to defend an innocent person or save someone's life, I would gladly take the punishment if I were charged with a crime. If I were in a store where a robbery was taking place and a gunmen started taking hostages, and I had the opportunity to safely apprehend him, I couldnt care less how illegal my weapon were. I remember seeing on TV a couple years ago a high speed chase video where a man was pulled over for speeding, he explained to the officer that his wife in the passenger seat was dying. The cop argued him with him and told him that isnt a good reason for speeding. He recieved a ticket anyways. If I were in that situation, I wouldnt slow down until I got to the hospital. You do not have to follow laws to be ethically and morally correct. Laws have existed that allow men to beat their wives. Laws have existed that allowed us to basically torture African-Americans and treat them like dirt. What does this tell me? Many, many laws are worthless, and that the people who make them arent worth listening to. I would follow the morals of a good person over law in any situation.
 
I could tell you,

but then I'd have to kill you.

LOL


Youre only breaking the law if you get caught.

stay out of trouble and you can carry anything you want.
and yes I do carry illegal blades at times.
:p
 
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