How public are you with your knives?

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Pomsbz said:
I'll agree with that. That post is an embarrassment to the concept of debate.
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An embarrassment to a "debate" that shouldn't even be in this section. Of course, you seem new to the forum, so no worries. :thumbup:
 
pinnah said:
No. What is absurd is the extreme libertarian argument that we, as a society, don't have the right to restrict personal freedoms for the common good by regulating dangerous items. Of course we do. We regulate guns, explosives, vehicles, airplanes and yes, knives.

Society informally and correctly considers knives to be weapons. Certain knives are formally and legally defined as weapons.

We have the responsibility of accepting the fact that when we use a knife in public we are using a weapon, particularly when it is a fixed or locking blade. This demands that we use discretion and judgement to constrain our behavior to fit the norm of the context we're in.

Can you stand in a grocery store and deploy a fixed blade? Sure, if you're working the produce or meat sections. But not as a customer while checking out. Context matters. People who fail to accept the personal responsibility to use judgment in using discretion on when and how they use their knives make the problem worse for the rest of us. They needlessly incite fear that drives over-regulation. The last thing I want is over-regulation of knives. And people who stamp their feet demanding that the government doesn't have the right to regulate knives make the problem worse, making knife people appear to be lunatics. Of course the government can regulate knives.
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I agreed with your original post for the most part and this one also. Except: If we exclude dirks and daggers, most if not all states do not generally classify pocket knives and sub 4" fixed blades as weapons, UNLESS you actually use or attempt to to use it as a weapon. Yes, you absolutely have a responsibility when carrying a knife however, the knives I generally carry (SAKs, Stockman etc) are not weapons and they are the last thing I would reach for. I would use a stick, a bat, a fireplace poker, or a golf club first. Any of which could be considered deadly weapons under the right circumstances.

In my personal experience the most commonly used knife, that is actually used as a weapon in the common Kitchen butcher, boning or carving knife. I know of several DV incidents that ended with one party or the other being stabbed with a kitchen knife. Yet anyone of just about any age can walk into your local Walmart and buy one.
 
Interesting topic.

If I'm in an urban, suburban or other "civilized" environment (where I am 99.99% of the time), I carry a folding knife or multi-tool. I don't flash it about because I was raised to understand that such behavior is both crude and vulgar. I was also taught the correct usage of the term "y'all." [Got the picture?]

If I am in the "wilderness" or other "uncivilized" environments I usually carry one or more fixed-blade knives. I make no effort to hide them, but neither do I make any effort to emphasize their presence. Once again, such a display would be both crude and vulgar.

A knife or other edged implement is a TOOL. Just like almost all tools (hammers, screwdrivers, drills, automobiles, etc.) they can be used as weapons. A person simply does not go around brandishing or calling attention to one's tools ------ unless said person actually IS A TOOL!

Do I get an "AMEN!" on this?
 
NMpops said:
In my personal experience the most commonly used knife, that is actually used as a weapon is the common Kitchen butcher, boning or carving knife. I know of several DV incidents that ended with one party or the other being stabbed with a kitchen knife. Yet anyone of just about any age can walk into your local Walmart and buy one.
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Absolutely. Just about ANY tools -- hammers, screwdrivers, drills, baseball bats, pool cues, (motor vehicles), etc. -- can be used as weapons. I must admit that it would be difficult, though not impossible, to kill someone with a micrometer.

Like Dr. Phil, "I have more degrees than a thermometer." With that said, I know that it is all-too-easy for most folks to focus on the tool/implement used, rather than the motivation/intent/psycho-dynamics behind it. The Marine Corps understands this, with their "killing mind."

With edged implements, folks, we need to do what the NRA, the GOA, and similar groups have FAILED TO DO with firearms. We need to bring this discussion UP and OUT OF the emotional, illogical, reptile-brain arguments and into the logical, real-world arena.
 
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Ventura Knife Guy said:
Interesting topic.

If I'm in an urban, suburban or other "civilized" environment (where I am 99.99% of the time), I carry a folding knife or multi-tool. I don't flash it about because I was raised to understand that such behavior is both crude and vulgar. I was also taught the correct usage of the term "y'all." [Got the picture?]

If I am in the "wilderness" or other "uncivilized" environments I usually carry one or more fixed-blade knives. I make no effort to hide them, but neither do I make any effort to emphasize their presence. Once again, such a display would be both crude and vulgar.

A knife or other edged implement is a TOOL. Just like almost all tools (hammers, screwdrivers, drills, automobiles, etc.) they can be used as weapons. A person simply does not go around brandishing or calling attention to one's tools ------ unless said person actually IS A TOOL!

Do I get an "AMEN!" on this?
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YES!

Amen, brother , preach on .
 
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Ventura Knife Guy said:
Like Dr. Phil
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?!?!? So..... you have one degree and are practicing unlicensed by the state on TV?
There are groups that do exactly what you are saying. At the state level. And it's working. Foolish arguments that have no grounding in reality are dismissed and knife laws are removed.
 
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Thefinaledge said:
So..... you have one degree and are practicing unlicensed by the state on TV?
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Actually I have three degrees and a whole handful of post-graduate Continuing Education certificates. I have worked with people ranging from over-committed Soccer Moms through honest-to-gosh serial killers. As the character Winston Zedemore from the movie Ghostbusters once said, "I've seen sh*t that'd turn you white!"

I present this as an indication that I actually know something about human behavior, especially about how our emotions all-too-often overcome our rationality.

Your turn.
 
Ventura Knife Guy said:
Actually I have three degrees and a whole handful of post-graduate Continuing Education certificates. I have worked with people ranging from over-committed Soccer Moms through honest-to-gosh serial killers. As the character Winston Zedemore from the movie Ghostbusters once said, "I've seen sh*t that'd turn you white!"

I present this as an indication that I actually know something about human behavior, especially about how our emotions all-too-often overcome our rationality.

Your turn.
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And yet you still chose to compare yourself to unlicenced Dr Phil through quote comparison. I find it interesting you choose your tool for the day so to speak on how you "think" it will be perceived over what tasks are at hand. Interesting. Personally I choose based on the activities of the day and have not run into this "knife fear frenzy" everyone is on about.(except on the internet) Perhaps that's because it is the position of only a handful of easily led groups?
 
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Thefinaledge said:
And yet you still chose to compare yourself to unlicenced Dr Phil through quote comparison. I find it interesting you choose your tool for the day so to speak on how you "think" it will be perceived over what tasks are at hand. Interesting. Personally I choose based on the activities of the day and have not run into this "knife fear frenzy" everyone is on about.(except on the internet) Perhaps that's because it is the position of only a handful of easily led groups?
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From where I sit, it appears that you are seeking an internet "fight." If I am wrong, I apologize.

If I am correct, on the other hand, then you should take your quest elsewhere. I will not "fight" you (or anyone else) in this venue.
 
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Ventura Knife Guy said:
From where I sit, it appears that you are seeking an internet "fight." If I am wrong, I apologize.

On the other hand, if I am correct, then you should take your quest elsewhere. I will not "fight" you (or anyone else) in this venue.
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Fight? Naw. I just find someone using a drish Phil quote to describe the education they have funny. Telling. Ironic. All three perhaps.
 
Thefinaledge said:
Fight? Naw. I just find someone using a drish Phil quote to describe the education they have funny. Telling. Ironic. All three perhaps.
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Once again -- if I offended you, then I apologize. I used the Doctor Phil quote because it (in itself, by itself, standing alone, etc.) is a quaint and colloquial description of my educational background. In point of fact I DO multiple degrees, a whole handful of postgraduate Continuing Education certificates, and about 40 years of directly applicable experience. So, if my oversimplification that I "have more degrees than a thermometer" offended your sensibilities I will, AGAIN, apologize.

Can we go on from here?
 
Ventura Knife Guy said:
Once again -- if I offended you, then I apologize. I used the Doctor Phil quote because it (in itself, by itself, standing alone, etc.) is a quaint and colloquial description of my educational background. In point of fact I DO multiple degrees, a whole handful of postgraduate Continuing Education certificates, and about 40 years of directly applicable experience. So, if my oversimplification that I "have more degrees than a thermometer" offended your sensibilities I will, AGAIN, apologize.

Can we go on from here?
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I'm not offended, I'm entertained.
 
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