How robust is the BG-42 Military?

Esav Benyamin said:
you guys are killing me
i cannot afford and do not need this knife
new graham, huh?
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I guess even you can not afford it and do not need it - you still deserve it and I am sure you have done something in the near past that need to be rewarded... Or someting to celebrate...

And this is collectible item which has limited availability. So tommorow it may just be gone and never be available any more...

Thanks, Vassili.
 
knarfeng,
i see what your saying. my initial concern was based on a number of "cracked" cf handles i had seen online (not spydercos). however, most did "seem" to be around the pocket clip....

For those reading this and are worried about liner locks in general, the liner lock on the Military, from an engineering standpoint, is very cleverly designed. There are some great threads on the Spyderco company forums about lock pros & cons and lock strength, where Sal goes into specifics, along with other well respected members of the knife community. With the second nested liner and rigid-as-hell carbon fiber handles, make no mistake...this is a hard use knife.
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a liner is a liner. the best liner lock ever made in the history of mankind is still behind a number of other designs in my opinion. the fact that it is hand specific is another huge drawback imo.

i am on a limited budget and only buy users. when i buy a knife i try to be as objective as possible. objectively, this knife has a number of fantastic attributes that easily outweigh one negative, the bloody liner lock.
ryan
 
You wont be sorry for dropping the extra $$ on this knife.........
Your just going to love it........
I bought an extra one just in case something happens to mine............
 
Hi Ryan,

The CF BG Military was a project that the factory wanted to do and they really got into it. It is a common EDC for me, Eric and many in the factory.

It was our first time using BG and we are all impressed with the performance of the steel. No doubt, when the opportunity arrives, we will make something else with it.

The Militry format is a large, fairly light (for its size) model designed to travel with troops as the cutting tool. Not the digging, prying, hammering tool that your duty knive is used for. The most important part about a knife is that you have it with you when you need it. Light and thin helps make it's way to your pocket or pack.

We spent a great deal of effort evolving the pattern. The linerlock has undergone many refinements of the years and is quite reliable.

All lock designs have advantages and disadvantages. Reputable Knife makers try to do their best at making the lock(s) of their choice as good as they can.

Yes, it is hand specific. One of these days, we'll make a left hand version, but it probably won't be CF or BG.

When the BG-42 run is complete, we will have produced about 1500 pieces. I'm sure they will be more popular after they're all gone.

We have plans to make a new version in the future with one of our new locks, but the decision has not yet been made on which one.

May I suggest that you let the model stand on its own merits, without consideration for the "type" of lock or the "brand" of carbon fiber. We always use the best materials we can find and we always try to make our knives to deliver "reliable-high-performance".

We've been making the Military for many years now and it is our format for testing new materials, our "mule" if you will. We've already ordered quantities of new experimental steels that will in the future find their way into a military.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Hi Ryan,

The CF BG Military was a project that the factory wanted to do and they really got into it. It is a common EDC for me, Eric and many in the factory.

It was our first time using BG and we are all impressed with the performance of the steel. No doubt, when the opportunity arrives, we will make something else with it.

The Militry format is a large, fairly light (for its size) model designed to travel with troops as the cutting tool. Not the digging, prying, hammering tool that your duty knive is used for. The most important part about a knife is that you have it with you when you need it. Light and thin helps make it's way to your pocket or pack.

We spent a great deal of effort evolving the pattern. The linerlock has undergone many refinements of the years and is quite reliable.

All lock designs have advantages and disadvantages. Reputable Knife makers try to do their best at making the lock(s) of their choice as good as they can.

Yes, it is hand specific. One of these days, we'll make a left hand version, but it probably won't be CF or BG.

When the BG-42 run is complete, we will have produced about 1500 pieces. I'm sure they will be more popular after they're all gone.

We have plans to make a new version in the future with one of our new locks, but the decision has not yet been made on which one.

May I suggest that you let the model stand on its own merits, without consideration for the "type" of lock or the "brand" of carbon fiber. We always use the best materials we can find and we always try to make our knives to deliver "reliable-high-performance".

We've been making the Military for many years now and it is our format for testing new materials, our "mule" if you will. We've already ordered quantities of new experimental steels that will in the future find their way into a military.

sal
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Sal, could you explain what is the purpose of the oval cutout in non-locking side liner?
 
Sal Glesser said:
...We've already ordered quantities of new experimental steels that will in the future find their way into a military.

sal
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Thanks Sal, this is a great news! Looking forward to hear more. It will benice to see Military out of ZDP189 or SRS15.

It is not only military or police using this knife. Also hunters, fishermans and outdoorsman, who need not only chopping knife, but someting to do like fish preparation (and good stees is critical to do prepare more fishes). It is also fit perfectly need to wash it time to time, because of open design and as you already sad - it is lightweight, thin etc, which is also important for outdoorsmans.

The problem for them is that with current color it is easy to lost it in the camp or in the field, in the dirt if you just left it on the ground and foget about it. So it will be nice to have handle with different color or at least some bright spot wich will be highly visible - like search and rescue model or something with orange, red or yellow G10/CF.

I guess this is legacy of "tactical" knives which suppose to look military - it is Military after all. But may be you consider to make few Military like search and rescue, some limited edition may be?

Thanks, Vassili.
 
OK Vassili, you got my attention. What would in your opinion, (& others as well) would be the "ideal" method of answering your question and not "turn off" those that want a more low key package.....or will it require more than one model?

Also, let's talk about that rescue blade or?

sal
 
I just start thinking about this - kind of brain storm.

It mabe just optional clip painted in orange or something fluoriscent. But it better be on both sides... And I just check you have only one side clip on Military...

Well it may be some kind of patch on one or two screws at the end of the handle on both sides. And this patch may be red, orange or it may have some owner name on it or some picure or something...

Actually if you make clip for both sides as for many other your models. It may be optional clip and on the other side optional patch. So on one side you have orange clip and on the other side you have orange patch, or orange patches on both sides if you do not like clips...

What do you think?

Thanks, Vassili.

P.S. So it will require minor design change - you already have metal liner on the side opposite to the lock - I hope it will not be big issue to add holes fro clip on that side and it will be useful anyway to be able to put clip on both sides, and you should add optional clip painted in different color and design and produce patch which almost same as clip.

Right?

P.P.S. And potentially idea of attaching something to handle - clip, patch or something very powerful. So why it is always clip? What if you make additional guard as MOD Mark has - just screw it in if you need more protectiom or it may be kind of lockabe hook (like alpinists use) to hook knife to belt - like in the winter hunters prefer to hook knife to the belt to hang frrely - it is easy to reach it without taking off heavy fur coat or attach small led light to that place...

You see what the opportunity this is - use clip screwing place as place for optional attachments!

Sorry - you start me thinking, so fase consequences...
 
I would like a fluorescent inset in the handle, for example the Spyderbug as was already done for one of the sprint runs, but I realize the machining is expensive, so it could be a simple circle (or more).
 
Hey Sal,

A dutch maker once made a knife with a glow in the dark insert in it. Maybe the spacer could be made of this? That would do it for hunters I think.
But for me, just the good old Military! Thinking about buying a third:D
 
Retrofitting all these "bright" ideas would be difficult. But the Military has a fairly large thong hole. Insert and tie a lanyard of glowing cord (TADGear), or with glowing beads attached. That way, you've got a beacon when you need it, easily removed when you don't.
 
Originally, the design called for a tritium vial inserted in the back spacer. That's why the backspacer was there. We found a tritium source that was viable, but govt regulations to install the tritium on a production basis was cost prohibitive.

That was ten yedars ago. I'd like to again address the issue, as long as Vassili brought it up, but we'll have to use something more conventional than tritium.

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
Originally, the design called for a tritium vial inserted in the back spacer. That's why the backspacer was there. We found a tritium source that was viable, but govt regulations to install the tritium on a production basis was cost prohibitive.

That was ten yedars ago. I'd like to again address the issue, as long as Vassili brought it up, but we'll have to use something more conventional than tritium.

sal
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As for backspacer - will there ever be a version with full backspacer (made of carbon fiber, alluminium, g10, titanium or just plain stainless steel (but if you worried about weight reduction of liner, then SS may not be best option (=heavy))?
 
Hi Huugh,

probably not a full back-spacer or stainless because of the weight issue and the "easy to clean" issue.

The philosophy of the knife is pure Colin Chapman, "Simplicate and add lightness".

sal
 
Sal Glesser said:
... but govt regulations to install the tritium on a production basis was cost prohibitive...
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It is radioactive, it does not affect customers I guess, but worker who paint handle or assemble knives with this part or retailer who stock them in big numbers my have some problem with owerexposure to radiation. Just for this reason I will not like this idea.

What do you think about clip and clip like patch? More I think about it more I like it - I guess I can do such a clip myself - just pick piece of metal (or G10 or CF), drill three holes in right places and screw it to Military. Only thing I need - holes on the opposite to lock side of the handle.

I guess it may be an opportunity for 3rd party to provide viraety of attachments...

Thanks, Vassili.
 
Sal,
i hope i had made it clear i was supremely impressed with this knife. Best handle (actually, the most comfortable folder i have for extended use) and the blade grind/steel (generally about equal to my m2 nimravus, way better than my 710hssr) of anything i have used.

May I suggest that you let the model stand on its own merits, without consideration for the "type" of lock or the "brand" of carbon fiber. We always use the best materials we can find and we always try to make our knives to deliver "reliable-high-performance
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-i love the bg42, as easy to sharpen as m2, holds an edge as long, but with the benefit of being stainless. not sure about the toughness. much preferred to s30v for sharpening ease.
-i love the handles, and have found them durable (see prior post). i'm unsure exactly what was meant by the brand reference:confused: :confused: .

i had wanted a military forever, but had always been able to look past it because of the lock. based on my impression that a significant update was a ways off, and the presence of cf and bg42 in this version, i could resist no more.

i truly love this knife, and have no "regrets" regarding its purchase. best handle and blade i have ever used in a folder. that doesn't mean i can't objectively state my thoughts on the lock. i see spydie fans debating far more inane details than this with far more conviction:confused: i personally bought this knife to serve as a large slicer, and a companion for knives with stronger locks and thicker tips. if i needed one and only one "hard use folder" this would not have been my choice.

while i somewhat understand the logic behind "evaluating on its own merits", for someone who buys few knives, and uses them all, i ALWAYS compare prior to purchase or give advice.
ryan
 
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