How robust is the BG-42 Military?

[Kohai999]

1. You could do the backspacer in Blaze G10
2. You could also make the scales themselves out of a glow in the dark material.

Just some ideas.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[Sal Glesser]

i'm unsure exactly what was meant by the brand reference .

ryan

Hi Ryan,

thanx for the clarification. And thanx for the kind words.

As far as "brand", I was refering to different manufacturers of materials like carbon fiber. Not all G-10, Carbon fiber, etc. is the same.

As far as the Walker linerlocks go, I hate 'em also. They're a bugger to make reliable. but it's probably the most popular lock on the market today.

The Military lock is pretty strong, we're getting "heavy duty" out of them. They fail and about 550 inch lbs or 137 inch lbs / inch.

I hate compression locks too, for the same reason, a bugger to build, but they have promise.

Hi Steve,

I think that the scale would require a separate model. Most of our customers wouldn't want a "loud" handle. That was the beauty of the tritium. It wasn't noticible unless it was dark.

I think that Vassili has the right idea, a smaller "patch" of something that served when lost but didn't yell in normal use. As you mentioned, I think the back spacer itself is a good idea and has merit.

sal

 

[Danbo]

Sal, if you haven't already been bombarded with this request, let me be the first. PLEASE make a BG42, Carbon Fiber Paramilitary! :thumbup:

 

[Sal Glesser]

Hi Danbo,

you're the first.

sal

 

[shaldag]

Well, if you want a second....

 

[Gramps]

What about a removable florescent rubberize/kraton sleeve that slipped on over the handle spine and extended part way down each side of the handle. It wouldn't need to be very thick, one wouldn't want to change the ergos on the handle...if fact if the sleeve were small and slipped on, down at the end of the handle the user's hand probably wouldn't even come into contact with it. Similarly, it could be positioned up at the handle......jimping on the spine of the sleeve for traction ?......??? Texture the underside of the sleeve that makes contact the handle for firm adhesion to the G-10. The user could slip the rubber sleeve off and on at will.

....or just offer a "sprint run" of the Military with a florescent lanyard.....use a silver "sypyder" as the "slider" to adjust the lanyard opening.....add a similar lanyard in "standard" colors to your regular production line....vary the colors from time to time to "enhance" colletability....I'm available for R&D consultations.

-regards

 

[05dr]

Sal,
few quick questions... i understand if these fall into the "trade secrets" category... qualitative answers would be more than adequate.

1. how does the raw material cost of bg42 compare to other common stainless types (154cm, vg10, cpm 154, s30v)?

2. was there aditional cost associated with "grinding" or otherwise processing this steel as compared to those previously mentioned?

i ask because i have truly enjoyed using/sharpening this steel. the only issue i have had with it has been it's lack of "uber stainlessness" (similar to s30v in this respect) and have already had to remove rust once despite keeping it well oiled.


3. is the lock strength of the military liner you quoted a "linear" type load (ie parallel to the opened knife)? any comment on lateral torques and the forces associated with so called "white knuckling" as they apply to liner vs. other locks? this i ask because of all the posters on this forum, i would trust your answers more than any others that come to mind...

Thanks a ton!
ryan

 

[zenheretic]

In regards to some sort of visualizing aid; how about some of the fiber optics similar to Hi-Viz sites: http://www.hivizsights.com/ They don't glow in the dark, but seem to "glow" when lite is shined on them. Being Flourescent orange or yellow, would also aid in distinguishing a knife from surrounding earth, leaves and other natural debris out in the field. If someone was using the knife in a position where Hi-Viz might increase risk of harm, they could pull the fiber optic cable out with combi tool plyers or something.

My 3 cents (inflation)

 

[bladeprince]

Spyderco Military in BG-42 with carbon fiber handle. All I can say, Sal, is thank you. I already had a fully serrated Mili but bought the BG-42 anyway. I'm very glad I did. It is a pleasure to use, to look at, and to own. An inspired creation, at the very least. Out of my modest collection of approximately 60 folders, this knife is always in my top 5 and I expect it always will be.

Job well done and thank you.

 

[yablanowitz]

I must be a hopeless redneck. Here y'all come up with all these fancy, high tech ideas for solving a problem that I used about 20 cents worth of neon yellow utility cord from Wal Mart to fix. I thought that was what the lanyard hole was for

 

[nozh2002]

I must be a hopeless redneck. Here y'all come up with all these fancy, high tech ideas for solving a problem that I used about 20 cents worth of neon yellow utility cord from Wal Mart to fix. I thought that was what the lanyard hole was for

Unfortunately cords absorbs liquid, like blood and fish slime - flawour savers... and they are not very washible in the field. Also cord may be inconvinient if you need to do a lot of manipulations with knife. However lanyard hole may be used also, may be not for cord but as a mount point...

Thanks, Vassili.

 

[Esav Benyamin]

So get thin plastic lanyard, which won't absorb anything, is easy to remove and replace, and comes in any color you like.

You don't even have to thread it through the tube, you can loop it around the tube through the open back.

Yeah, I know. It's more fun coming up with the high-tech, high-price solutions!

 

[glockstersharp]

I must be a hopeless redneck. Here y'all come up with all these fancy, high tech ideas for solving a problem that I used about 20 cents worth of neon yellow utility cord from Wal Mart to fix. I thought that was what the lanyard hole was for

I agree. I bought some bright orange paracord and some bright orange duct tape. Just apply it where you see fit when you're out in the field just in case there's something that you don't want to lose.

 

[zenheretic]

Bah! You people and your high faluting common sense approach.

 

[huugh]

Hi Huugh,

probably not a full back-spacer or stainless because of the weight issue and the "easy to clean" issue.
sal

I probably didn't make myself clear, the list of materials was for (full) backspacer only, not the whole (SS) handle.

(Maybe it is just me, but I find knives with open construction (=without full backspacer) more prone to catching dust and lint in pocket)

The philosophy of the knife is pure Colin Chapman, "Simplicate and add lightness".

Yes, Lotus rocks :thumbup:


Also if may I ask, what models do you plan to make in carbon fiber?


(I am not too fond of glowing knife but as some of you seem to like it: this isn't tritium, is it? And something like this may be the way to go)

 

[Sal Glesser]

Thanx for the input and thanx for the kind words. We've been enjoying the CF BG model.

Thanx Huugh for the clarification. Lotsa things to keep in mind on the next re-do.

We have the CF T-Mag in the works. A CF Caly3. Nothing else planned at this time.

Sal,
few quick questions... i understand if these fall into the "trade secrets" category... qualitative answers would be more than adequate.

1. how does the raw material cost of bg42 compare to other common stainless types (154cm, vg10, cpm 154, s30v)?

2. was there aditional cost associated with "grinding" or otherwise processing this steel as compared to those previously mentioned?

i ask because i have truly enjoyed using/sharpening this steel. the only issue i have had with it has been it's lack of "uber stainlessness" (similar to s30v in this respect) and have already had to remove rust once despite keeping it well oiled.

3. is the lock strength of the military liner you quoted a "linear" type load (ie parallel to the opened knife)? any comment on lateral torques and the forces associated with so called "white knuckling" as they apply to liner vs. other locks? this i ask because of all the posters on this forum, i would trust your answers more than any others that come to mind...

Thanks a ton!
ryan

Ryan

1. BG is up there with the powdered metals, acutally a bit more. Twice 154cm.

2. Processing costs are also proportional. An abrasive resistant material (one that holds an edge well) doesn't like to "give up" material and is harder to grind, polish, drill, ream, sharpen, etc. by as much as double.

Corrosion and edge retention seem to be married. Various alloys are better than others, but,

H1 is a nice respite, but it too has its mfg nightmares.

3. It's a linear break. lateral forces seem to be attached to "how much material" do you want to put there? A compromise between strength and carry-ability becomes the question.

I think "White Knuckling" a liner lock and releasing the lock is more of an armchair discussion that a real world problem. Guys like Cliff can "White knuckle" anything to release. (he pinches ball bearings flat as an exercise ) We send him locks in question to test for us.

But in real world useage, we've had few complaints over the past 10 years. We think of the Military as an "outdoor useage" model. More often than not, gloves are worn because of temperature or material used.

Lanyard holes are an interesting study. Most want one in the knife, like a sign of quality, but 9 out of 10 don't use it. Lanyards are good for situations like diving, where retrievability is not an option, but in daily use, they often get in the way. The ELUs want them on most knife, so we make sure to put them in where we can.

sal

 

[huugh]

Thanx for the input and thanx for the kind words. We've been enjoying the CF BG model.

Thanx Huugh for the clarification. Lotsa things to keep in mind on the next re-do.

We have the CF T-Mag in the works. A CF Caly3. Nothing else planned at this time.

Is CF Caly3 goint to be of pinned construction (as Caly3 is)?

I don't know wheter CF are good sellers or not (in other words profitable to introduce), but I would definitely welcome more CF models (full flat grind native, full flat grind police, or scaled up (say 3" blade) Michael Walker (C22) (that would be really SOMETHING :thumbup.
I see huge gap in the market of knives utilizing CF.

 

[Stanum]

Returning to a not-so-black-Militari theme.

...I think, it's a good idea to make Military more visible at night, too.
Maybe, it can be a Spyderco emblem on a handle, made from something reflecting, or even with the light-accumulating materials (not radioactive, not-toxic ). For example, steel plate with reflecting texture- beautiful and helpful at night, when you trying to find your favourite Military in grass. It could be something like that:



An additional cost of patched Mili will be minimum, but total usefulness will grow up.

P.S. Sorry for my awkward English- it's not my native language.

 

[Franco G]

In my opinion, the BG42 CF military is worth every penny that I paid.

And that knife is not a collector's item sitting in a safe, it is used, and used hard.

Absolutely agree.

 

[cdf]

While I just have a plain S30V/G10 millie , all I can say is that I love the knife . It is a slicing machine , great pocketability , great ergo's . The CF/BG42 is in my sights . For abuse and prying , I'll stick to my Becker , but for real world stuff the Millie holds up fine ,

Chris