How to figure out the value of a knife

[Lorien]

wiki war!

 

[jjtjr]

From Wikipedea

In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

Anthony,

This seems to apply to you exactly. In your Bladeforums.com Public Profile you yourself state that your location is "Under a bridge". Isn't that where all your fellow trolls live?

I have posted on this thread in response to the original subject.

You only seem to post about Kevin Jones. It seems that you are obsessed by Kevin Jones.

Are you a stalker?

You seem to have an unhealthy interest in Kevin.

Whatever turns you on, is your business, we just get sick of hearing you spout your juvenile b*** s***.

Jim Treacy

 

[sheathmaker]

Hey that's really original.
What member of the club are you?
Did you get an obfuscation decoder ring with your membership?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sycophancy

Original? No, Anthony, your use of the wikipedia crap further upstream was the original, in a thread that had a chance to get back on subject.

I don't know you like I know Les, in fact I don't know you at all, but I'll repeat what I said above for your benefit. No, make that for our collective benefit.
It appears that your feud with Kevin is more of a personal nature and maybe airing it in/on a public forum is not the best form, nor method for a positive resolution. Please give us all a break and take it private.

As usual, your knife expertise is always welcome and we look forward to your participation in that capacity every time you are on line.

Thanks for your consideration.

Paul

 

[Bladeandbarrel]

Original? No, Anthony, your use of the wikipedia crap further upstream was the original, in a thread that had a chance to get back on subject.

I don't know you like I know Les, in fact I don't know you at all, but I'll repeat what I said above for your benefit. No, make that for our collective benefit.
It appears that your feud with Kevin is more of a personal nature and maybe airing it in/on a public forum is not the best form, nor method for a positive resolution. Please give us all a break and take it private.

As usual, your knife expertise is always welcome and we look forward to your participation in that capacity every time you are on line.

Thanks for your consideration.

Paul

Here is a great way to sell thousands of dollars worth of handmade knives on BFC

-Promote yourself as an expert in high-end, custom knives
-Make thousands of posts in the BF Custom forum with a convenient link to a "for sale" page of your groovy collection with really great photographs
-Start your own collectors club


Am I missing anything?

Paul,
Thanks for looking out for "my benefit", whatever that means.

I stand by the above post 100%

I think its a great sales strategy. It looks like it has paid off repeatedly over the last few years without auction fees or commissions. Nothing but posting on the forums. Over 6 times per day in the custom forum to be exact.

As far as my forum postings, I have been here since 1998 and 3 years prior to before BFC ever existed. I am sorry my post count recently isn't higher, but I don't currently have any knives for sale...

 

[Bladeandbarrel]

From Wikipedea

Anthony,

This seems to apply to you exactly. In your Bladeforums.com Public Profile you yourself state that your location is "Under a bridge". Isn't that where all your fellow trolls live?

I have posted on this thread in response to the original subject.

You only seem to post about Kevin Jones. It seems that you are obsessed by Kevin Jones.

Are you a stalker?

You seem to have an unhealthy interest in Kevin.

Whatever turns you on, is your business, we just get sick of hearing you spout your juvenile b*** s***.

Jim Treacy

Your thoughts are just plain-ass creepy. I bet you are on a LE list somewhere.

Oh wait, you have an "available knives" link too!

 

[Bladeandbarrel]

I find it interesting that people like Jim find it necessary to use personal attacks or continued "obfuscation" to make their point.

The "herd" mentality is in full force-Baaaaaaaaaaaa-

 

[Jose Reyes]

Sorry I can't add to the OP's question. I find it too amusing that someone with an agenda will question someone else's agenda, thus my post. I've questioned Kevin before but not his integrity. By all accounts he's a tireless worker. I don't know him personally but would be surprised to learn that selling knives makes up a significant portion of his earnings.

Before you call the kettle black ask yourselves if you've tried to influence the market yourself to earn some ROI on your knives... Of course you may think you're educating the public when you do it, maybe so?

 

[jjtjr]

I find it interesting that people like Jim find it necessary to use personal attacks or continued "obfuscation" to make their point.

Anthony,

I know that you are the expert in "personal attacks". Here is your first post on this thread:

Here is a great way to sell thousands of dollars worth of handmade knives on BFC without ever buying a Gold or Platinum membership.

-Promote yourself as an expert in high-end, custom knives
-Make thousands of posts in the BF Custom forum with a convenient link to a "for sale" page of your groovy collection with really great photographs
-Start your own collectors club


Am I missing anything?

I was not engaging in a personal attack. I was merely stating the facts.

This thread is about "How to figure the value of a knife", you are the one to start the attacking.

You should at least try to get some facts right.

1) Kevin has a Platinum membership, I see that you do not have a Bladeforums.com membership.

2) Having a "for sale" page is a good idea. That is why I and alot of other people do it. I have sold knives on this and other forums, on ebay, through purveyors and through my "Knives Available" link. All of these methods have been mentioned in this thread.

3) Kevin did not start the CKCA. He was one of many people who founded the club. If you don't like the CKCA you don't have to join. We are trying to promote all aspects of Custom Knife Collecting, you seem to have your own agenda.

Stay dry "under the bridge".

Jim Treacy

 

[Bladeandbarrel]

Jim,
I think the CKCA is a GREAT idea! Where did I ever say it wasn't?

What exactly is my agenda? Why don't you read through about 10 years of posts and get back to me on that.

I do apologize about the Platinum membership. That was my error. I will edit my post.

My membership comes and goes. I have supported the forums in many ways over the years, some from behind and some in front of the curtain.

I simply find it odd (and irritating) that Kevin (and others but mostly Kevin) would state the forums are lousy places to sell custom knives when that is exactly what they were doing for years with thousands of posts pointing to their online galleries? I was just pointing out the obvious and apparent.

The truth only hurts when its true.

 

[Kohai999]

...sometimes knife people just don't get along, for whatever reason.

I have found that chatting with someone that you have problems with face-to-face often goes a long way towards mitigating those problems.

It would probably serve all concerned well when these kinds of situations come up that the affected parties take it offline, but what do I know?

I do know Anthony, that you go after Kevin like a dog goes after an automobile wheel, and it is frequently counterproductive, but I also know that you are not a troll, and I count you as a friend. Your writing over the years has informed, amused and you have made many insightful observations.

Kevin never did anything wrong to you, and sometimes your dislike for his writing makes you ignore his contributions to the knife community,which are considerable, and altruistically rather than financially motivated. He is trying to make this world we live in a better place, in his own way.

Kevin and I have interacted FAR more than most people on this forum, and he has never done anything that has caused me to lose respect for him. He and I don't agree on many subjects, but that fact doesn't make him automatically wrong. Writing about this doesn't make me a sycophant either, it makes me someone who can get out of my own way long enough to recognize that positive contribution Kevin makes.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[Jon Brand]

Not to put words in anyones mouth but I think Kevin wouldn't deny that we make alot of contacts on the forums. Those contacts are great for selling knives. But he doesn't often list them in the for sale section and I see nothing wrong there. Contacts are great to use first but I also enjoy selling/buying other knives on the forums.

BTW, whats wrong with having a "forsale" link?

 

[Bladeandbarrel]

Kumbaya Steven
Kumbaya


I think the CKCA is a great thing. I am glad to see it prosper. This has NOTHING to do with that.

-Promote yourself as an expert in high-end, custom knives
-Make thousands of posts in the BF Custom forum with a convenient link to a "for sale" page of your groovy collection with really great photographs
-Start your own collectors club


Am I missing anything?

 

[Bladeandbarrel]

Not to put words in anyones mouth but I think Kevin wouldn't deny that we make alot of contacts on the forums. Those contacts are great for selling knives. But he doesn't often list them in the for sale section and I see nothing wrong there. Contacts are great to use first but I also enjoy selling/buying other knives on the forums.

BTW, whats wrong with having a "forsale" link?

At the risk of repeating myself

I simply find it odd (and irritating) that Kevin (and others but mostly Kevin) would state the forums are lousy places to sell custom knives when that is exactly what they were doing for years with thousands of posts pointing to their online galleries? I was just pointing out the obvious and apparent.

That is what rubs me the wrong way

"the forum is a terrible place to sell knives"

BS...

 

[jjtjr]

BladeandBarrel wrote:

I simply find it odd (and irritating) that Kevin (and others but mostly Kevin) would state the forums are lousy places to sell custom knives when that is exactly what they were doing for years with thousands of posts pointing to their online galleries? I was just pointing out the obvious and apparent.

The truth only hurts when its true.

and

That is what rubs me the wrong way

"the forum is a terrible place to sell knives"

BS...

Anthony,

If you are going to use quotation marks, get the quote right. This is what Kevin actually said:

Kevin Jones wrote:

If looking for the best return, eBay is the last place I will go to sell quality custom knives and the BF exchange forum is next to the last. Now if buying there's great deals on the BF forum.

and

In fact, in my opinion forums in general are best suited for buyers not sellers. Why? Because many sellers will list knives at market value then proceed to drop the price over and over again (sometimes hourly) without giving the knife a chance to sell. This results in buyers just sitting back anticipating further reductions. Other times sellers will list low and that's when we see the knives snatched up in 11 minutes. Lack of discipline and/or knowledge of the market in sellers equals deals for buyers

I don't agree with everything that Kevin says, but I think that Kevin and everyone else who posts on this forum is entitled to their own opinions. If you don't agree state your opinion, it's a free country.

Kevin was not attacking you by stating his opinion. There was no need to attack him.

By the way, the second quote in blue is fairly accurate in my experience and in my opinion.

Jim Treacy

 

[Kevin Jones]

Jim,
I think the CKCA is a GREAT idea! Where did I ever say it wasn't?

What exactly is my agenda? Why don't you read through about 10 years of posts and get back to me on that.

I do apologize about the Platinum membership. That was my error. I will edit my post.

My membership comes and goes. I have supported the forums in many ways over the years, some from behind and some in front of the curtain.

I simply find it odd (and irritating) that Kevin (and others but mostly Kevin) would state the forums are lousy places to sell custom knives when that is exactly what they were doing for years with thousands of posts pointing to their online galleries? I was just pointing out the obvious and apparent.
The truth only hurts when its true.

Anthony, I had decided not to post any more on this thread however missing my Platinum membership isn't your only error. So I will clear up a few things.

First, I never said the forums are lousy places to sell knives. What I said was I get a better return selling my knives via other methods than forum exchange or classifieds areas.

Second, my fototime photosite's primary purpose is NOT for selling knives as only one page of five is dedicated to such and there's never more than 2-3 knives listed for sale at one time.
It's purpose is for showcasing custom knives and custom knife photography. My Jerry Fisk Collection page has photos chronologically dating Fisk knives by maker's marks and configuration of such. I published this for the benefit of others and this research and documentation took quite a bit of time to put together.

Third, I have probably only sold 3, maybe 4 knives total as a result of my photosite link in my signature line. Now, has Blade Forums helped in my selling and making a return on my knives? YES, most definitely. But not because of my signature line but by my posting/sharing good professional photos here when I get a new knife.
In fact, many if not most of my knives are already spoken for (if or went I decide to sell) as a result of my sharing them on this customs forum when I get them.

I also sell quite a few knives as a result of my contacts here and overseas. And buyers come to my site via search engine.

Collectors getting good photos taken of their knives and putting them "out there" benefits them and the custom knife community as a whole.

My agenda is promoting and progressing custom knives and the community, not making money. The collecting, the investment aspect, the CKCA, the camaraderie and community is ALL part of the enjoyment for me.

 

[Lorien]

I recently bought a knife at what I think was quite a bit below market value from Kevin Jones because he'd listed it for sale in the classifieds on the CKCA forum, (like any CKCA member could have done).

It could have been anybody who bought it, but it was me. I saw the ad, good price, bought the knife like anyone else. What can I say? It was a fantastic transaction- quick, smooth, great communication, excellently packaged and a little extra consideration regarding the price.

This particular purchase was a bit of a game changer for me as well, so it's fair to say that by selling me this knife, Kevin Jones opened a door for me. Even if it was inadvertent, the result is a greater depth of interest in custom knives for me, through this new knife.

I troll for deals in the classifieds. It never occurs to me to check people's signature links to their collections for sale, because I have found that the prices reflect the fact they still kind of want to keep their knives. I'm looking for that 'gotta sell it now' price, I want to avoid paying more for a knife than it's worth.

 

[RogerP]

I don't think the forums are a lousy place to sell quality custom knives or the "next to last" place a seller should go. I have sold many knives on the forums over the years - most quickly, some slowly, and only a very few not at all. In fact some of the few that I had counted as "not sold" actually did sell months after the fact where someone dug up the old for sale ad in a search and sent me an e-mail. These may not have been $6,000 bowies, but they most certainy were "quality custom knives".

I also don't understand why anyone would caution a seller against selling on the forums, because:

a) it costs you nothing more than an upgraded membership, which, if you are a regular forum contributor, you likely have anyway, and

b) perhaps more significantly, it doesn't preclude you from pursuing other sales avenues - whatever those unspecified but presumably superior avenues might be.

The benefit of selling here is the opportunity to deal with someone you likely "know" - at least in the virtual context. Which is the main reason I don't like to use E-bay as a seller.

Bottom line - my experience in selling knives on the forum has been both overwhelmingly positive and successful.

And yes, linking your for sale album in every post in your sig line on the forum is a smart idea - but it is also a method of selling knives on the forum.

Roger

 

[Kevin Jones]

I don't think the forums are a lousy place to sell quality custom knives or the "next to last" place a seller should go.

As both Jim and I have pointed out.

I NEVER SAID THAT FORUMS ARE A LOUSY PLACE TO SELL CUSTOM KNIVES AND NEVER SAID FORUMS WERE THE NEXT TO THE LAST PLACE A SELLER SHOULD GO. I ONLY STATED WHAT WORKS BEST FOR ME. IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL OR SELLER TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY "SHOULD" DO.

ONE MORE TIME, THIS IS WHAT I DID SAY:

If looking for the best return, eBay is the last place I will go to sell quality custom knives and the BF exchange forum is next to the last. Now if buying there's great deals on the BF forum.

However re-read my post, I'm not saying eBay and this forum isn't an easy and effective place to sell knives, I'm saying I can get a much better return selling them in other ways.

 

[RogerP]

I NEVER SAID THAT FORUMS ARE A LOUSY PLACE TO SELL CUSTOM KNIVES AND NEVER SAID FORUMS WERE THE NEXT TO THE LAST PLACE A SELLER SHOULD GO. I ONLY STATED WHAT WORKS BEST FOR ME. IT'S TOTALLY UP TO THE INDIVIDUAL OR SELLER TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY "SHOULD" DO.

Technically correct, but an awfully fine point of disntinction. If someone asks "Where should I go for good Italian food?" And you reply "Well, the garbage dump is the last place I would go, and Big Poppa's Pizza is second last." - you have done nothing more than state what works (or rather, what doesn't) for you - but it stilll amounts to a fairly strong recommendation against Big Poppa's, doesn't it?

I mean. it's still up to the guy posing the question to go to Big Poppa's, or not, right?

Hey, if that's your opinion of the forum, that's fine. I don't share it. And I have done nothing more than express a contrary opinion, so ease up on the block caps, big fella.

Roger

 

[Kevin Jones]

Technically correct, but an awfully fine point of disntinction. If someone asks "Where should I go for good Italian food?" And you reply "Well, the garbage dump is the last place I would go, and Big Poppa's Pizza is second last." - you have done nothing more than state what works (or rather, what doesn't) for you - but it stilll amounts to a fairly strong recommendation against Big Poppa's, doesn't it?

I mean. it's still up to the guy posing the question to go to Big Poppa's, or not, right?

Hey, if that's your opinion of the forum, that's fine. I don't share it. And I have done nothing more than express a contrary opinion, so ease up on the block caps, big fella.

Roger

Well Roger, first Anthony, now you have said/implyed that I stated forums are a "Lousy" place to sell knives. I stated nothing even close to that.

I actually stated forums are an easy and effective place to sell, just not the most profitable in my opinion.

Everyone's opinions are welcome, but don't lead people to believe that I said or implied something that I did not.