How to figure out the value of a knife

Well Roger, first Anthony, now you have said/implyed that I stated forums are a "Lousy" place to sell knives. I stated nothing even close to that.

I actually stated forums are an easy and effective place to sell, just not the most profitable in my opinion.

Everyone's opinions are welcome, but don't lead people to believe that I said or implied something that I did not.

You won't hold yourself to the same standards you seek to hold me to. I didn't say you had said anything at all.

And as set out above, I think stating that the forums are the next to last place you would choose to sell quality custom knives is close enough to recommending against selling knives here as to not make a difference anyway.

I notice you didn't comment on the "Big Poppa's Pizza" analogy, but I think it speaks for itself. But let's bring it closer to the subject at hand.

If you say:

"Maker W is the next to last person I would choose to make me a knife." or

"Dealer X is the next to last person I would buy a custom knife from." or

"Sheathmaker Y is the next to last person I would go to for custom leather." or

"Photographer Z is the next to last place I would take my quality custom knives to be photographed."

Well, it's pretty hard to hide behind "I was only stating what works for me, not telling anybody else what they should do." Particularly if you went on the maker's, dealer's or sheathmaker's forum to make the statement. C'mon man. You can't possibly fail to get that, can you?

I'm not saying you're not entitled to that opinion, but if you're going to make statements like that, be prepared to: a) back them up and b) stand by them.

Roger
 
What about the poor sucker who started this thread???? :)

I'd say that IMHO, if this is a big collection (>50 knives) of some worth, a good auctioneer or dealer is the best way to get rid of an inherited collection. For many reasons, the least of which is to keep it fair (assuming there is more than one heir), keep the IRS off your back, and sell the knives in a reasonable amount of time.

I agree, if you leave a list of knife values, then you are leading to disappointment in your heirs. The best thing is to leave a list of other collectors, auctioneers or dealers for your heirs.

The very best tact is what my uncle did with his gun collection, when he reached 80 yo he liquidated his collection quietly over the period of a few years. His heirs were gun idiots, by liquidating it himself, he got the best dollar and all the guns went to people who appreciated them. All he left for his heirs was his service revolver and money :)
 
My ideas on pricing will be discussed in a future article in Blade!

Many years ago a very vociferous and well known dealer who is still a dealer in knives walked up to my table at a Blade Show, he told me that if I would sell him my knives at a 50% discount and gave him an exclusive he would make me a star! I told him no. He proceeded to tell me I had just made the biggest mistake in my life!

Not long after that a client walked up to my table and told me I should go look at one of my knives on another dealers table, they were priced much higher than I had my knives priced. The same thing happened at this years Blade Show, a knife that I had just sold was priced at over twice what I sold it for and it sold.

Another dealer told me that I should develop methods of making knives quicker as performance was not nearly as impressive as fit and finish as very few would be using my knives anyway due to the importance of "mint condition".

After over 30 years of making and selling knives I now have an inventory of three knives.
Those who have purchased my knives have financed our experiments, laboratory time and we continue to learn and have our future experiments planned.

Somehow I think I am doing OK without the help of that dealer.
 
Ed,

Given the materials you use and the prices you get. You have no doubt mastered the "Sizzle" school of sales.

Phil Hartsfield did this as well. He thres in a little mysticism and spirituality...just for good measure.

BTW, do you make boot or shoes by any chance?
 
God Bless America and men like ED and Phill that still chase performance first and could and can set there own priceing structures and have a waiting list.

Les you okay buddy ya seem a little mad lately .:D
 
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I hesitate to bring this thread back up to the top, however there's been some good opinions and information exchanged here before it went down the toilet.

I would like to add that at some point many collector's families may find themselves in the same situation Jtech's family is in now which is having a lot of valuable knives to dispose of with little or no information on them.

It's been stated in this thread that a collector having an informational document on his/her collection is the worst thing they can do. I strongly disagree with this; however will say a document with old or incorrect information is less than desirable. This is why I suggest the collector keeps his list/spreadsheet updated and supply a note with the document or in his will advising his/her heirs that the information is to be used as a guide and to consult with the trusted friend and knowledgeable knife enthusiast who the collector also names. I won’t even get into to value of having an organized and detailed collection managing spreadsheet in the event you have a loss and have to deal with an insurance company.

In my opinion leaving your family with valuable collectibles and no information on such is one of the worst things a collector can do. However that's probably most often the case.

Small print/disclaimer; the above in only my personnel opinion and should only be considered such and only used in conjunction with other's opinions and weighed in with other available information. You take my advice at your own risk and I have no personal and/or financial agenda what so ever in offering it. In addition, I will ask that if you quote or even refer to the above that you only use my exact words and take no implied meaning other than stated in the words. And NO, I’m not selling my collection management spreadsheet, I have given it to literally dozens of collectors who have asked for it. ;)
 
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hey Kevin, could I get a copy of that spreadsheet template please?
 
Kevin email me one to

I have instructed my wife to call STeven and he will handle selling of my knives of course at no charge:D
 
I will e-mail you guys the templet. I would make a copy to use and save the original.
I have left two lines of my information (one in the collection section and one in the sold knives section) so you can kick the tires and see how it works.
After that, delete (do not delete any bolded areas) my information, type in yours and the totals will auto calculate at the bottom. You can insert your knife photos and hyperlinks.

Anyone else wants a copy just e-mail me @ kj1056@aol.com.

This collection tool is protected and for your personal use with my permission so please don't forward.
 
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:DKevin big thanks

Really slick format

I can really use this for knives and guns and have been looking for something like it for awhile

Worth the price of admission to the CKCA just to get a program like it:D

This is the kinda good stuff a good organization provides it's members yet alone the general knife community:thumbup:
 
I think that Kevin does more than myself although I do have both a book of info as well as the spreadsheet and I BU BU BU using www.clickfree.com devices. I always keep one BU device off premises in case of fire. You could also email yourself a copy of the file and keep it in a folder on your server.
 
Keeping records of what you paid for knives is useful for things like insurance, and should be maintained for that reason alone. A list should be maintained giving provenance, being specific on the types of steel, wood handles, little things a maker may have told you about the knife that will make it unique. For someone selling those knives on commission, or at auction, that is information that will add to the value of the knives you leave behind.

However, leaving those records as a price guide to your family for selling your knives is only really useful if you also list to whom they are supposed to sell the knives at the prices you have listed. If you don't have a buyer lined up to pay your heirs for the knives, at your price, you have set your inexperienced sellers up against experienced buyers. We all know how that traditionally will work out in any field.

Most of us overvalue our collection knives once we have purchased them. If you have your records in front of you, take them out and do a self-check on the knives you have devalued since you bought them. Anyone want to make a guess on the percentage of collectors who will put into writing the number of knives they have purchased that have gone down in value?

We think they ALL always go up (wrong! Some do. Some don't.). We want our wives to feel more comfortable with the lavish amount of dollars we're putting into knives (they're an investment, honey!), and the most dangerous part of all, we are stroking our own egos that we are wise and savvy buyers (this can also be called lying to ourselves). Some knives are winners, some are losers. I've not seen anyone bat 100% winners, except in their own minds, no matter what their list says.

The reason I am so against leaving a values list for your heirs is I have seen such lists, and looked into the bewildered faces of family members when they can't understand why this knife or that knife will not bring what Daddy thought it should be worth. In 30 years of buying and selling knives, I have NEVER seen a list left by a collector that was remotely accurate to current market conditions.

The proof comes when it is time for the knives to be sold. And again I will state that a list of what you paid for those knives, or what you think they should be worth, will mean absolutely nothing to the person buying your knives. He will base the amount he is willing to pay on market conditions, not on what your list says.

The biggest danger to a list is that unless you are buying and selling in this market, if you are not going to most of the shows, spending hours on the internet, etc. you really do not have your finger on the pulse of the market. I know there are a few, a very few, who do. Some are in this forum. Some are posting in this forum. But thinking the average collector will keep up with the market is not based in reality.

For most collectors knives are a hobby--not a profession or obsession like it is for some of us, and they will not take the time to stay current with the market.

Assuming that a collector will follow advice, even when it is to their benefit, is a misconception in the knife business.

The one troubling thing about internet forums is everyone with a computer, time, and an opinion can post -- and to the casual forum surfer, everyone has the same credibility.

So for the benefit of those who have read the thread so far, I would ask for those giving advice on buying and selling knives in this market to let us know how many knives you actually sell in the course of a year?

How many estates do you handle for the heirs of collectors?

How many collections annually do you purchase, sell, or broker?

How many shows do you attend at which you rent a table and actually buy and sell over that table?

That is where the rubber meets the road. I would suggest the casual observer pay close attention to those who actually go and do, versus those who have opinions but very limited experience.

Anyone can have an opinion--experience is a bit more difficult to obtain.
 
Many should heed this advice:

We think they ALL always go up (wrong! Some do. Some don't.). We want our wives to feel more comfortable with the lavish amount of dollars we're putting into knives (they're an investment, honey!), and the most dangerous part of all, we are stroking our own egos that we are wise and savvy buyers (this can also be called lying to ourselves). Some knives are winners, some are losers. I've not seen anyone bat 100% winners, except in their own minds, no matter what their list says...thinking the average collector will keep up with the market is not based in reality.
 
You make excellent points Bruce. If the collector can't value his/her knives accurately on the document or fully explain to his heirs the criteria surrounding his listed values and possible variation in market conditions then they should leave that area blank.

But as you noted, a informational document makes sense for other reasons. For example, if including nothing other than photos, maker information, specifications and descriptions; think what benefits this offers to heirs who would otherwise not even have a starting point to get outside help.

I'm by no means an expert, as that would be you, however I receve the emails which come into the CKCA "contact us" link and quite a few are from very frustrated widows seeking help who would have benefited immensely from just the most basic of information being left.
As you know, I have sent some your way.
 
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Many should heed this advice:

We think they ALL always go up (wrong! Some do. Some don't.). We want our wives to feel more comfortable with the lavish amount of dollars we're putting into knives (they're an investment, honey!), and the most dangerous part of all, we are stroking our own egos that we are wise and savvy buyers (this can also be called lying to ourselves). Some knives are winners, some are losers. I've not seen anyone bat 100% winners, except in their own minds, no matter what their list says...thinking the average collector will keep up with the market is not based in reality.

I agree, those who are not valuing their collectibles/investments accurately are hurting themselves. I also agree that no one wins 100% of the time.
Anyone who says they have profited on every knife most likely sells VERY FEW knives or is not being honest.
I usually look at my spreadsheet once a month, if changes are warranted I make them and burn another CD.
I'm not saying a list or spreadsheet is for everyone. I'm just offering mine up for anyone whose interested.
 
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