How tough?

chickentrax said:
...<sigh>...[size=-2][...don't ask...don't ask...don't ask...][/size] :rolleyes:

What is batoning??? :confused:

What/where is the locking lug on a 110??? How exactly did it break??? :eek:
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Although I have not had an episode of insanity in quite a while, not too long ago I destroyed some knives just to see what would happen under certain conditions.
All just so that my fellow forum members could enjoy without killing thier own precious knives.
Here's a link to the thread, post #21 is where the 110 was broken:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=382463

And here's a link to the original torture testing:
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=352994
 
I'm looking for more useful information, like how many cuts will a 110 BG42 make on 1" hemp rope before it dulls...and how many sharpenings and cuts does it take.... until the blade is gone, and only a tang stamp swings from the bolster :cool:
 
I think that is what is meant by batoning, smaking the back of the knife with something. That lug, and I think you nailed that too, would only bend if you accidentally hit the handle instead of the blade.
But since I have never used a knife in this way, that is only an edumacated guess. :)
Number one thing we get 110/112 back in warranty for: breaking the tip off while digging into something hard, such as the pelvic bone of a deer/elk.

Number two thing we get 110/112 back in warranty for: batoning the knife through something hard like the pelvic bone of a deer/elk.

And thats precisly why I hunt, to help eliminate the world of the very same hooved vermin that are taking food off of my table by costing me a small fortune in warranty repairs. :grumpy:
At least that is what I tell my wife...:D
 
wh4f said:
This is exactly what I would like to see also! Real world tests...
Also try testing ATS-34, 154CM, CPM154,Buckcote/ion fusion, and S30V would be good starts. :D
Thanks!
Dropping of my knife from a 2 story building is not a "real world" situation for most people. (Maybe 2-3 feet from my sheath to the ground.)
Also IF I were in a survival situation and needed to Batton wood to get to the "dry center" (not my idea or words), I would either use my fixed blade, my axe, or a folding saw- not my Buck 110 pocket knife... But thats just me too!
Abuse tests that we have seen lately mean nothing to me as I would not do that to my KNIFE! Its for cutting and slicing...( maybe chopping at the brisket of a deer once or twice ;) )
Thanks for spending the cash and posting the results!
I definately need a better job :D
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Well,I can give you the results of actual hunting/field use on the original buckcote before they re-named it ion fushion,I used it from 1998 until 2003 for aprox.35 deer and maybe 12 or so bears(not all mine).It was the gray coated nickel silver bolstered model,and i used that sucker on lots of wild game,it was the only knife i crried for the longest time,i removed about 3/4 of an inch off the blade before it became pretty much worn out,so i sent it in with 35 dollars and now its a bg-42 110!The single sided edge on the buckcote was very durable in real life user situations.
 
I'm looking for more useful information, like how many cuts will a 110 BG42 make on 1" hemp rope before it dulls...
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Assuming that you know how to re-sharpen your knife...who cares?

and how many sharpenings and cuts does it take.... until the blade is gone, and only a tang stamp swings from the bolster
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This is pointless.
After all, no blade is going to totally disappear due to sharpening without you having plenty of warning.
As the bladed thins, you can always send it back to Buck for a new blade.
But if you break the blade while batoning, you're SOL!

Dropping of my knife from a 2 story building is not a "real world" situation for most people. (Maybe 2-3 feet from my sheath to the ground.)
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It's real world situation for those of use who actually climb ladders and rock cliffs and such.
I suppose it has no bearing upon those who never get higher than their bar-stool.
Also IF I were in a survival situation and needed to Batton wood to get to the "dry center" (not my idea or words), I would either use my fixed blade, my axe, or a folding saw- not my Buck 110 pocket knife... But thats just me too!
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And suppose you did not have your fixed-blade, or your axe, or your folding saw?
A "survival situation" by its very definition is one where you are caught unprepared.
Abuse tests that we have seen lately mean nothing to me as I would not do that to my KNIFE! Its for cutting and slicing...( maybe chopping at the brisket of a deer once or twice )
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Then all you need is a basic box-cutter, right?


The whole "dry wood in the center" thing is RIDICULOUS!
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Spoken like a man who has never been caught camping during a severe downpour or many days of rain.
Where would one find dry kindling to even start a fire if everything is wet in the first place?
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Uh, from the center of a thicker log?:rolleyes:
That's the whole reason for batoning.
This is simply another bogus excuse to justify destroying a knife and telling the world it didn't hold up to useful and un-biased testing. I must admit though, posts like that make for good comic relief. Sheesh!
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Claiming that a certain folder is tough or adequate for survival without ever putting it to the test is just talking hype about something you really know nothing about.
F.W.I.W.: Carry a one pound coffee can in your pack and several cans of Sterno; along with waterproof matches. You can always make a contained fire if you need to. Just open a can of Sterno, drop it into the coffee can, and drop a match in.
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And if you ever find yourself in a situation where all you have is your Buck 110?
AGAIN, a "survival situation" by its very definition is one where you are caught unprepared.



I think that is what is meant by batoning, smaking the back of the knife with something. That lug, and I think you nailed that too, would only bend if you accidentally hit the handle instead of the blade.
But since I have never used a knife in this way, that is only an edumacated guess.
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Wrong.
Maybe I'll post some pictures later.
 
chickentrax said:
I think you are right on this guy *being* "Vivi". This is a troll and needs reporting to the mods.
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By all means, report me to the mods.
I've been a member of these forums for a long time (I think much longer than Vivi...and much longer than you also), and while I have certainly made remarks that others might disagree with, I have never been called a troll.

You can disagree with my motivations, and you can disagree with my opinions, but you can't disagree with the results of my "testing".
I did what I said I did.
The results are as I posted them.
Arguing with me for posting them is pointless.


Buck_101,
I think you're missing my point completely.
Of course I prefer to camp with proper and adequate equipment, but I'm also well aware that things don't always go as planned.
I'm not advocating that folks go camping with only a Buck 110, but anyone who ventures in to the wilderness should realize that there is always the possibility that they might find themselves in a tight survival situation...and they might find themselves with only the clothes on their back and the knife on their side...if they're lucky!

I might lose all of my gear for whatever reason (boat capsized, gear stolen by thieves, forced to immediately evacuate the area, or whatever senario you like...) but I usually have my knife on me all the time while camping.
So I thought it would be interesting to see what that knife could handle if it was all that I had.

If you find my "testing" to be silly or unrealistic or useless, then fine...nobody is forcing you to read it or believe it.
I don't care.
 
Just to put this batoning issue in perspective, the CS Recon Scout Fails Miserably thread both demonstrates batoning and failure of a knife much more robust than a Buck 110. If it's all you have, it's what you need to use, but I'd be real careful to not destroy my only knife in a survival situation. Use the gray matter and find another way.
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ras said:
Just to put this batoning issue in perspective, the CS Recon Scout Fails Miserably thread both demonstrates batoning and failure of a knife much more robust than a Buck 110. If it's all you have, it's what you need to use, but I'd be real careful to not destroy my only knife in a survival situation. Use the gray matter and find another way.
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Wrong tool for the job....especially when "YOU" already have a fire:eek:
 
My personal choice for splitting logs is an axe, but the CS RS should have been able to do that job, it failed. The fire is irrelevant, they were practicing the technique. It's nice to do that by a fire ;)

Then we get threads like this one with somebody batoning their Buck 110 as a "test"; IMO batoning is not in the Buck 110's job description. The likely outcome is a broken knife. My choice for a knife to baton is a Becker CU-7. Same steel as the CS RS but no stress riser at the hilt and if it does fail, it's only ~$60. Still, an axe works better.
 
Allen,
Maybe i did not explain myself that well. Would not be the first time. The only way to bend that "lug" back is to apply excessive pressure to it. The only way you are going to do that while batoning the back of the blade is if you hit the blade between the your hand and where the piece of wood is. Or if the wood is softer where you hit the blade than where the tip of the blade is resting.
Otherwise, all the pressure is being applied in a downward direction, not back at the lock. Having said that, I would not recommend batoning a 110 unless it is all you have and it is a life or death situation. I dont think that in such a situation, you are going to be all that concerned with where you apply pressure to your knife, your just trying to make some kindling wood to survive. I doubt that anybody could baton with the presicion necesary to make sure they dont wreck their 110. :rolleyes:
My take on that big black broken knife...poor thing was tortured. But I think that if you are the kind of person that could see yourself in a survival situation, you really should know the capabilities of your gear BEFORE you need to know. Hopefully that is what was going on with that CS Recon.
 
Yes, the Buck 110 was not the right tool for the job, and it failed....no big surprise, right?

However, both the CRKT S-2 and the Camillus Marlin Spike were subjected to the same treatment and they survived.

Just some food for thought.
 
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