HTM takes a hit

No the issue is you trying to make this into something bigger than it is. I believe Nutn even said it was a lemon. Lemons are not unheard of from time to time. It's funny because I don't even think the OP had any intentions. You on the other hand keep pointing out that it should never have left the factory. On this, we both agree. But again, lemons do happen from time to time.

How many companies do everything right the first time? Zero. There's only most of the time.

Also, I've seen cheaper knives and more expensive knives with issues just as well.

EDIT: I mean really, what is the intention of your posting in this thread? To bring this issue to our attention? It's not an issue because this hardly ever happens. Has it happened before in the past? Yes, and he took care of it. It would be an issue if this happened more often than not. If you don't like the guy or his knives, great. No hard feelings. He can't please everyone. He can and does, however, fix things when they're wrong. What's wrong with Nutn's knife is nothing that isn't fixable.
 
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Despite the argument going on here, can someone comment on the tip of the blade protruding almost out of the handle? That's the ONLY thing he said that would concern me seriously...Last thing I wanna do is swing my hand down to hook my thumb on my pocket and slice it open.
 
Dont slide your finger between the handle scales and you'll be fine. The gunhammer is for sure not the first and definitely not the last knife with a blade tip that can be touched by putting your finger between the handle scales. My Hinderer XM-18 has a blade whose tip is right near the end of the scales so if I put my finger between them, it will get poked.
 
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Despite the argument going on here, can someone comment on the tip of the blade protruding almost out of the handle? That's the ONLY thing he said that would concern me seriously...Last thing I wanna do is swing my hand down to hook my thumb on my pocket and slice it open.
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Also, not common. I admit, the first Gunhammer I had, a few evolutions back, had the blade almost protruding out the handle, but I never grab my knife in a way for me to cut myself like that, so it was a non-issue for me. I could have sent it back, but it didn't bother me any. Other than my personal Gunhammer, I only recall of one other incident where this happened, excluding Nutnfancy's of course.

Also, Darrel has a thing for squeezing as much blade into a handle as possible, so that may be why Nutn's knife had that tip protruding. It should've been ground down a little bit more to prevent that.

Personally, what bothers me more is when a blade in a folder is thin compared to the handle. I feel like part of the blade is missing or the design was hurried.
 
Whats done is done.

It's not a problem that's unique to DDR but it is one ive experienced first hand.

My only intention is too see that legitimate problems get legitimate solutions.
 
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Nutnfancy's two favorite knife makers are SOG and Microtech.

That alone should tell you enough about him.
 
How NutnFancy has continued his "reviews" as long as he has amazes me. The day I base how I spend my money on what he says will be the absolute last dime I spend. He's as so much of a douche I smell vinegar and water every time I read his name. I have determined from his long and boring reviews full of er um and dudes that he and myself use knives in completely different ways, I use mine to cut stuff and he uses his to take pictures of and make asinine videos with. One of the greatest examples of ego masturbation on the web IMHO!
 
I didn't mean to start anything, I was just kind of bummed that it didn't get a positive review. Of course every company spits out a dud and you should always give them the opportunity to make it right. Nutnfancy has even said this several times.

While he's not the end all be all of knives, I watch a ton of youtube review vids, and while he tends to ramble, I do at least appreciate his vocabulary. Hopefully he'll get a new model and do another video after truly using the knife for a while.

Many of you are right about him in your posts...It seems to me like he didn't do much with this blade before posting about it. May he get a new one and use it, then go back and make a video.
 
Let me spend 13 minutes trashing the knife and then in the last 2 minutes get to how it is probably a lemon.

Why even open your mouth at that point. Send it back, get it fixed, then do the review. When you do the review mention the issues and comment on the level of service you received in getting the issue fixed.
 
Having just received(and paid over $300.00 for) a GH manual, I can tell you all that this review is spot on. All of the problems/issues noted are present in my example.
If this is what DDR/HTM considers top-quality, they have a long way to go.
 
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Let me spend 13 minutes trashing the knife and then in the last 2 minutes get to how it is probably a lemon.

Why even open your mouth at that point. Send it back, get it fixed, then do the review. When you do the review mention the issues and comment on the level of service you received in getting the issue fixed.
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This is exactly my issue with the review.
 
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Let me spend 13 minutes trashing the knife and then in the last 2 minutes get to how it is probably a lemon.

Why even open your mouth at that point. Send it back, get it fixed, then do the review. When you do the review mention the issues and comment on the level of service you received in getting the issue fixed.
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This is the thinking I see over and over in the knife community and I just dont get it.

When did not getting it right the first time become okay on any knife?

Why do we as the knife purchasing public have to accept this as norm from manufacturers?
 
Ryanol said:
This is the thinking I see over and over in the knife community and I just dont get it.

When did not getting it right the first time become okay on any knife?

Why do we as the knife purchasing public have to accept this as norm from manufacturers?
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Because it is the norm of EVERY industry. Nothing that is manufactured is 100% perfect all of the time. It is such a big deal with cars they have to have Lemon Laws.

And it is always amplified by the internet. Remember when the ZT0560 came out and everyone wanted to dump on the knife for whatever reason. We come to find out that less than 5% of the knives that shipped came back for warranty work and out of that only a very very very small number had real issues. If all you did was read the bladeforums threads though you would think the knife was a giant turd.

I'm not saying it's okay and it should be almost a non issue when dealing with mid tech and custom knives, but I'm sure it happens.
 
Ryanol, I think you've got a pretty big disconnect with the reality of the situation going here. Here's what you may be missing: getting it right happens the VAST majority of the time. I've got 3 Gunnies, and I'm ordering the forum one for a big chunk of change, and I've never had a problem. None of them have had any major issues, or even minor ones. I've got 3 different generations represented too. If you do your research, you'll probably discover that lemons are very rare for DDR, and they're always dealt with promptly and effectively. And, the reason YOU have to do the research, is that Nutnfancy didn't.

EVERY company has the occasional lemon. I've seen the occasional reports of CRK's with blade play, etc. Even custom makers occasionally have a flaw slip out, usually due to a flaw in the metallurgy that doesn't come out until load testing. It's even worse for companies who deal in big lots, because usually QC doesn't involve testing EVERY knife that leaves the factory. Lemons are generally rare, but it does happen, and that's true of any company, in any business in which a product gets provided. The relevant distinction is in how well the company deals with their mistakes. It particularly sucks for the company when a lemon happens to go to a well-known, if somewhat inept, reviewer, but it's in no way indicative of the overall quality, and it's generally irresponsible of the reviewer to misrepresent a low percentage issue as representing the overall experience and quality that an end-consumer is supposed to get.

I spent a long time doing reviews in the airsoft community, and as a result, have nearly $15K worth of gear and guns that were given to me for free by companies because I did a good, honest review. In my estimation and experience, a GOOD review should do a good job representing the experience a prospective buyer would likely have. IF the prospective buyer were likely to receive a lemon, that would be worth mentioning. But the reviewer, in order to be responsible, would need to actually do his research and accurately represent the likelihood of receiving a lemon. DDR/HTM does NOT have a history of delivering lemons. Thus, it's unfair (and possibly even libelous, in Nutnfancy's case) to represent the lemon as being indicative of the general quality you're LIKELY to receive.

It's also worth mentioning, particularly in a knife review, where you got the knife. I've seen unscrupulous or inattentive reviewers showcase a knife they purchased as a floor model, which has been handled and abused by all kinds of idiots in the shop, as "BNIB," and blame the issues caused by second parties on the factory.

Ultimately, a responsible knife review should focus its attention on the design, functionality, and experience. If you get a lemon, and you ship it back, and get another lemon, that's indicative of broader problems that should be addressed by the factory. If you get a lemon, and ship it back, and get a perfectly functioning knife, then you are looking at a whole different scenario.

As for Nutnfancy, I've never liked his reviews. He rambles, presents the information in a very disorganized fashion, and really does a piss-poor job of presenting as unbiased and informed an opinion as possible. So perhaps you should be asking yourself, why do we, as the knife purchasing public, have to accept crappy and rambling reviews as the norm from popular knife reviewers?
 
Well I've received a DDR that had similar issues, this reviewer did and another gentleman has chimed in this thread with similar problems.

Knife folks seem to always cover for manufacturers with the same old "it's the Internet -you only see the bad reviews". It is my opinion that this is not the case, an in fact for every 1 unsatisfied customer bringing up issues there are usually ten that will simply move on and not say anything.
 
Wait....

So let me get this straight.


A lot of people are disregarding his review, because his style of review DOES involve a lot of talking for any knife?

And to top things off, his review is bad because he's not representing what a buyer can expect because his knife was bad, and therefore, he should have reviews a knife that he didn't receive because getting one that's messed up doesn't happen enough in reality to be of concern?

And one mod who frequently promotes these products threatened to lock the thread because he took a post personally when it was trying to address the situation?


Just trying to see if I'm reading what it is I think I'm reading. And I thank whoever chooses to answer in advance. :)
 
And... did you contact HTM and did they take care of you?

So you can point to 3 knives that have had problems. I can point to 3 in my OWN collection that didn't and don't. You'll also note that I'm not saying that it's the Internet, and that you only see bad reviews, although there's some truth to that statement that you ought to consider, rather than just dismissing it out of hand as an internet meme. Rather, I'm saying that you are focusing on a very minor percentage of knives that leave the factory and drawing an erroneous conclusion about the whole lot.

Frankly, I think the applicable internet meme here is: "haters gonna hate." If you're curious, the logical fallacy is called the "hasty generalization" fallacy. You're drawing, from a sample size of 3, that there's an overall problem with HTM's quality.

@ SilentJohn, my personal problem with Nutnfancy in this particular circumstance is that he's misrepresenting the overall quality of the knife in his review. Yes, it's unfortunate that he received a lemon. As someone whose opinion is taken with rather more weight than it should be a large portion of the population, he has in my opinion a RESPONSIBILITY to present accurate and as unbiased and detailed information as possible. He doesn't do that. In fact, he rambles on for 13 minutes before mentioning the likelihood that it's just a lemon. In his place, I would have contacted the company to replace the lemon. Just like I would if I received ANY defective product. Then I'd review the product I received back. I would mention that I got a lemon, which was defective in these parts, I contacted the company, my experience was XXX, and they did/did not resolve the issues. IF I received another lemon, or they refused to address the issue, I would mention that in the review. Such information gives the audience of the review an idea of what the knife is actually like if it's received in perfect condition, as well as what it will be like if they do happen to receive a lemon.

And his style of review involves rambling. Another, more competent reviewer, who actually planned out the points he was planning on making, could get out the same amount of information in half the time, and without misrepresenting the product or the company.

So let me ask you this, which review would YOU rather listen to? A 5-10 minute review, with a concise and careful exposition of the knife as you can probably expect to receive it, along with an account of the reviewers experience, having received a lemon, and discussing their experience with the company's customer service (positive or negative, as it might be either)? Or would you rather spend 15 minutes listening to Nutnfancy ramble, and find out nothing about what the knife would be like if it weren't a lemon, nothing about the customer service?
 
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Silent Jay said:
And one mod who frequently promotes these products threatened to lock the thread because he took a post personally when it was trying to address the situation?
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He called me out first. The only reason this isn't locked is because he put his childish antics aside, and I don't like moderating like a nazi and prefer instead to let people police themselves.

And just because I'm a mod here doesn't mean I promote his products. I *like* his products. There is a big difference here. I also don't go out of my way to recommend them. The only time I recommend any of DDR or HTM knives is when a user asks for specifics that I feel this line of knives covers. Believe me, Darrel and I don't see eye to eye on a few things. We're just cordial about it. There are actually things I do not like on his, which is why my custom is a full blown custom with all the features I want. Fortunately, Darrel is a maker willing to accommodate my requests.
 
I purchased a more expensive DRT balisong, upon receipt it immediately needed to be sent back for servicing. Thats unacceptable for me. I did contact DDR/briar industries and received IMHO substandard communication regarding the servicing of my knife. My dealer was able to convey my displeasure and after a subsequent return trip to Ohio my knife was acceptable.

To your haters gonna hate comment- yes I am making assumptions based on my personal experiences i won't argue that point.
 
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