HTM takes a hit

Okay, seriously. Where has ANYONE said they should be forgiven. Where has anyone said that we should just gloss over the flaws? Your issue is that you're just hearing what you want to hear, not what people are actually saying. Even though we've said it several times in several different ways. I'll try one last time, and you can believe what you want.

Yes, the review should criticize them for letting it get out the door. But wouldn't you want to know, if you were thinking about buying a product, and you were watching a review, if the company was going to do everything in its power to fix the mistake, or if they'd just leave you with a defective product? It's not about forgiveness, and that's a point that I've made repeatedly, and yet you seem unwilling or unable to understand. It's about COMPLETENESS. It's how good of a job the reviewer did, not about the knife.

I honestly don't understand how you can continually ignore what everyone's been saying, and keep thinking that we're saying something that we're not.

I'll say it again. The issue isn't that we think HTM should be forgiven for letting a defective piece of merchandise get out the door (although it's clearly not the end of the world, since if you wanted a non-defective product, we all know they'd make that happen for you with a minimum of fuss). It's that a GOOD reviewer should finish their review, and not misrepresent the knife as being the standard, not a defect, nor wait until the review is mostly over to make that point. There's a lot more important information that can be gleaned from such an experience that would be useful to the end consumer. Not everyone thinks it's unimportant how the company handles warranty issues, as you seem to. Not everyone wants to base their purchase on a review of a product that's defective. Some people actually want to know how the knife would be if it weren't defective, as amazing as that might sound to you. Nutnfancy doesn't provide this information, when he's clearly got an opportunity to present a more balanced and informative account. In my view, he's just as irresponsible as the company who sold him the defective product.
 
I only watch his reviews because he usually has decent footage and shows a lot of the knife with all the angles. and he touches on things other reviews miss out on.

other than the better quality vid and more angles i find his personal preferences are just that, his preferences.
i personally like aluminum and usually WONT carry a knife thats under 4 oz. just because those are my personal likes/needs


HTM dont sweat it i will still own your knives :)
 
Dirk said:
A review of the knife as received is absolutely essential. He doesn't need to get the knife fixed or replaced to review. He just needs to understand reviews aren't just about the product, but the company that makes them. And there are a lot of people out there who actually do want to know about a companies customer service and whether or not the warranty for a product is supported.

If your mind set is truly "1 strike and your out" then I will respect that. My only question would be, does that apply to everything in your life or just certain things?
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Pretty much all goods and services that I purchase yes- same thing happened with a dell comPuter I bought. Sent me an Inspiron and it went straight to BSOD. I called dell and they wanted to send me a replacement, told them to just credit back my card and send me a call tag. So yes for the most part I don't do exchanges I do refunds.
 
jwblack911 said:
other than the better quality vid and more angles i find his personal preferences are just that, his preferences.
i personally like aluminum and usually WONT carry a knife thats under 4 oz. just because those are my personal likes/needs
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Agreed!
 
Ryanol said:
Pretty much all goods and services that I purchase yes- same thing happened with a dell comPuter I bought. Sent me an Inspiron and it went straight to BSOD. I called dell and they wanted to send me a replacement, told them to just credit back my card and send me a call tag. So yes for the most part I don't do exchanges I do refunds.
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Then again, you also don't do reviews. And wouldn't you like to know from a review if the company would let you have a refund, or if you'd just be SOL? Or if it would be a huge hassle to get a refund or a replacement?
 
Ryanol said:
Pretty much all goods and services that I purchase yes- same thing happened with a dell comPuter I bought. Sent me an Inspiron and it went straight to BSOD. I called dell and they wanted to send me a replacement, told them to just credit back my card and send me a call tag. So yes for the most part I don't do exchanges I do refunds.
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Groovy cool. I have said my piece and have had no impact and I don't see me coming around to how you see the issue. I guess I will just observe this discussion from here on.
 
I guess lemons happen, I'll just adjust my standards of American made quality downwards to reflect the reality of the situation, good luck with your thumbers guys.
 
From the other htm I had, the lock up seems like it is definitely out of spec. Mine was used but it was sharp enough.

Then the rest of it is just the design of the knife. It would of been nice to have ti instead of aluminum, but I can live with it.

I think that the price and designs of the htm lineup is just not for the main bulk of knife users.

In an ideal real world edc knife I do like slim, flat, and lightweight, but since I am a knifeknut I pick a different knife everyday to fit my mood.

I also kind of think that the gunhammer walks the between edc and emergency blade. But I will wait till I get mine to decide how I like it. Oddly enough what nutn like ( the jimping) I kind of dislike. It seems to me that the flipper makes it a moot point. Not every knife needs jimping.

People just really need to stop looking at a knife by how many features it has. Because there is only one that matters. The blade. Though the gunhammer could use a bottle opener
 
He said in one of his vids "You are not gonna see me doin` the review on a knife i don`t dig" So what`s up with that?
 
Ok, so I finally found time to watch the whole thing.

And I noticed something, complaints about his review style aside (personal preference is personal preference). The number 1 complaint seems to be that he reviews it before sending it back to get fixed first, and that he doesn't make mention that it might be a "lemon" until 13 minutes in.

But, he doesn't make not of the lock-up issue at all or any problems he really had until about 8 minutes in, and even then he mentioned that he could have it sent back and they'd more than likely fix it up good as new for him almost RIGHT after mentioning it.

But if you actually watch the review at least 90% of what he doesn't like has nothing to do with factory issues, it's pretty much all the design of the knife. So, to me, he's not at any fault here since he did mention he could have had it fixed, he just didn't want to bother with it because he didn't like the knife anyway and HTM fixing the lock-up issue wasn't going to change that anyway.

I dunno, seems like a LOT of criticism over one portion of the review when it was covered, and the majority had nothing to do with the complaints (not liking his review style aside).
 
Nutnfancy who I have followed on line opinions have changed over the years to the point where I have considered unsubscribing to his channel. I really feel like he has sold out and only gives positive reviews on gear that benefits him and his pocket book. I wouldn't put much stock in what he says.
 
To be fair, if Nutnfancy got a Buck, Ruger, Benchmade or [fill in the blank] that was below par, he would have sent it back for repair or replacement and then bragged about the good service. In fact, he's done that many times. He could have done that here, but didn't.
 
Agree w pwrnoodles! He should have sent the knife back and documented all that happened and shown the knife after being serviced. We all know everything cannot be perfect! I still like HTM and Darrel and still enjoy Nutjobs reviews occasionally.
 
Well, I watched it. Most of it...some of it. Question, did he take off points for the confusing name and model number? It kind of felt like I was watching a knife review by a non knife guy. That's how I felt about his sharpening video too.

Sucks he got a lemon, but oh well. There is no way to fix it if he doesn't want to send it in. And let's face it, it's not the first $210 knife that's got issues out of the box. $210 may sound like a lot, but I have had knives costing more with bigger and/or similar problems. I still like most of them, especially after sending them back. It's the way of the world.

But, this video kind of reminds me of his Springfield Armory XDm review. He out shot his favorite Glock with it and proclaimed it to be a fluke. He wen't on to say how good the pistol was and praised it for some 40 mins. and said "buy the Glock." Strange dude, but it's just his opinion which is worth the same as anybody's.

Also, one last note. Is Mr. Fancy the only one who still thinks tactical is the word of the day? It made me laugh how seriously he takes the tactical life. Also, put me on the list of people that think Nutnfancy=Gecko45.
 
To me HTM didn't take any hit...if I had the money this moment I wouldn't hesitate to buy an M390 gun hammer and a Radian. There still on my to buy list.
 
crimsonfalcon07 said:
Nutnfancy doesn't provide this information, when he's clearly got an opportunity to present a more balanced and informative account. In my view, he's just as irresponsible as the company who sold him the defective product.
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Precisely.

Openly admitting that you believe you have a defective piece of hardware and then proceeding with the review? That is both disingenuous and unhelpful to the people who are looking to make an informed decision about a product they are interested in buying. One gets the impression that he doesn't really take his video reviews that seriously.

If a man isn't going to take his own work seriously, then why should anyone else?
 
Idk Nut is an odd ball. Most new kids to the knife world follow him for guidance which I think gives them a very biased perspective on a lot of products. For example he loves microtech, and If I was newbie so would I. But, since I have experience with MT, I think different than the youtube metality of Tnp followers.

Never owned a gunhammer, but I do have DDR customs to go on. Darrels knives are top notch IMO. Of course I'm just a forum nobody while Nut has a youtube army to brainwash. Hence, his reach is more far reaching than mine but I will offer some advice. Buy what YOU WANT with YOUR MONEY! Why people go on the opinion of some youtuber is baffling. Be brave and live your own life, man up to make your own decisions. If you don't like what you've bought, you can always return it. Don't just go on the opinion of someone who you don't know, nor whose personal preferences, desires, wants, and needs, are not your own. If your really into blades then explore and make up your own mind. Only then will you see that some of the things Nut says are not true. YES! I SAID IT! he lies on some of his reviews. Otherwise if your just down to buy w.e. products he recommends and shy away from those he doesn't your always going to be a noobie because your opinion isn't your own. My opinion on a blade begins when it's in MY HANDS and NOT ON TNP.

My 2 cents.
 
I think hes a fan of some of SOGs fixed blades, which I agree are nice IMO. As far as Microtech,I owned one for a cpl days. It felt so cheap and flimsy I had to return it for a refund!
 
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