Hunters. I would like your opinions on these pictures

allenC said:
Chris,

It's extremely challenging, and unlike using dogs on pigs, you're not guaranteed a kill...somedays you leave empty-handed.
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More ignorance, I hunt with a 63# checkmate, 2117s with grizzly heads I sharpen myself. Come down to the woodlots of GA and see how spot and stalk works for you, I will even take you on some of my land. Hunting hogs with dogs is about as much of a sure thing as fishing with a Bill Dance endorsed lure. Chris

 
Horned Toad said:
I think you are forgetting that mans rise to the top of the food chain would have never been accomplished by a lone solitary hunter tracking his game. Mans rise to dominance was by teamwork and using everything that was available.
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Again, are you talking about man hunting to survive, or man hunting for fun and pleasure?
I've never seen five modern day deer hunters use "teamwork" to kill a single deer.
Have you?

You make it sound like the only acceptable way to hunt is one on one with your bare hands. The way you make it out to be I think fisherman need to get rid of their poles and swim after their fish.
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If you think this is what I said then you did not understand my previous posts.
I see nothing wrong with a fisherman using a pole and reel...
But if someone else baits your hook, casts your line, monitors the line till a fish strikes, sets the hook, and then hands you the rod so you can reel the fish to the shore...then you CANNOT say that YOU caught the fish!
You cannot say that YOU are the fisherman!
 
runningboar said:
More ignorance, I hunt with a 63# checkmate, 2117s with grizzly heads I sharpen myself. Come down to the woodlots of GA and see how spot and stalk works for you, I will even take you on some of my land. Hunting hogs with dogs is about as much of a sure thing as fishing with a Bill Dance endorsed lure. Chris

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I thought you were in NC?

But I'm glad to see that you're a fellow bowhunter! :thumbup:
Maybe we can get together and do some hunting...without the dogs. ;)
 
Hunting hogs with dogs is about as much of a sure thing as fishing with a Bill Dance endorsed lure. Chris
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Chris,
Hunting pigs with dogs, on fenced property, is as close to a "sure thing" as anyone can get.
It's only a matter of time till the dogs sniff the pig out and bring it to ground.
If you have the time, you simply can't fail.
 
allenC said:
I thought you were in NC?

But I'm glad to see that you're a fellow bowhunter! :thumbup:
Maybe we can get together and do some hunting...without the dogs. ;)
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I live in NC, but am originally from GA and do a lot of hunting there.

I will be hunting this fall with dogs and without, if you would like to get some real world experience and fact to go with your guessing you are more than welcome. My email is public and it is only a 2 hour drive, you live in the state so license is no problem. In NC I hunt mostly on Ft Bragg and know some very good areas, you will have to have a hunter safety certificate and buy a 25 dollar post permit. Chris
 
allenC said:
Chris,
Hunting pigs with dogs, on fenced property, is as close to a "sure thing" as anyone can get.
It's only a matter of time till the dogs sniff the pig out and bring it to ground.
If you have the time, you simply can't fail.
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Spoken like a man who has never tried it. I ask again, what is your suggestion for controlling the hogs in these HUGE fenced enclosures? Chris
 
OK, I'm out of here.

I hunt, I enjoy the process from start of finish. When I kill in the hunt I am happy and I have no shame to admit it.

Mac
 
allenC said:
Okay Jack,
I'll stop posting on this thread.
I guess any further debate is pointless.

Chris,
I just might take you up on the offer...even if you are from GA!

Thanks,
Allen
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:bigthumb: I didn't realize this would end up so heated.
 
allenC said:
Again, are you talking about man hunting to survive, or man hunting for fun and pleasure?
I've never seen five modern day deer hunters use "teamwork" to kill a single deer.
Have you?


If you think this is what I said then you did not understand my previous posts.
I see nothing wrong with a fisherman using a pole and reel...
But if someone else baits your hook, casts your line, monitors the line till a fish strikes, sets the hook, and then hands you the rod so you can reel the fish to the shore...then you CANNOT say that YOU caught the fish!
You cannot say that YOU are the fisherman!
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well sort of pointless since you say you are not posting any more but here goes.

I went back and read all you posts.

I think you are being pretty stuck up about the whole things and only see this from you’re view of what "sport" hunting is. I personally agree with some of your views, hence I have never hunted animals in my life. But I have see then folly of not hunting, now that most of the North American predators have been removed from the ecosystem.

I think you have fallen into the mindset that since your dog is a pet, everyone else must think that way. Some dogs are working tools, I don’t agree with it but that’s how it is. Just like with a lot of old time ranchers and even modern day rodeo types that think the same way of horses. It’s a tool and when it breaks you get a new one.

I really don’t see any difference between you arrow and a knife. Sure the pig will get chewed on some but bottom line life’s not fair.

I did find some amusement in scorn of dog cages. I have grown up seeing those and if they are sturdy and bolted down, they are a pretty safe way to transport your dog. It’s nice that you dog rides in your vehicle with you. Is he secured; I spent two hours one time at a rollover looking for some folks pet dog. It was seen once before I got there and sorry to say, I was not able to track him out in the rocky desert. I don’t know if they ever found him. Something to think next time you have your canine in the car.

To take your view to the extreme any sport hunting not conducted naked armed with only a rock or your bare hands is not “sport” hunting. Bottom line if you don’t like it don’t do it. I have to say though I can’t see where any form of hunting sport or other wise kills quicker than one well placed bullet. How many time have you had a deer drop dead instantly in its tracks from your bow. What is the longest you have had to track a bleeding deer. How many times have you hit a deer or think you did and not been able to find it.

I feel looking a few pictures with no other info is not enough to condemn what seems to be a large group of hunters.
 
Thank you gunner, Rusty is my best bud, champion bloodline, hunts till he can't walk, trees like crazy, fights like a buzz saw, keeps my feet warm at night and is about the best friend anyone could ask for. Not letting him hunt or not hunting with him is about the cruelist thing I can think of.





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So Allen, you only hunt to survive? There is no other possible way to obtain food?

And how else would you deal with these pests?
 
My thoughts on this are as follows, since it's been asked.

Initial thought = damn that's some brutal brutal killing. I need to know more, lets make a thread somewhere.

after seeing what some people had to say about it, (mostly pages 1&2 before the clusterFawk) I see it as very sporting. I especially don't think it's any worse than using a broadhead. It takes trained dogs and excuse the expression, 'balls' to jump in and stick that thing. But, there are excpetions and they are as follows.

-training with a live pig in a fenced in area. I don't care if it's the best way, I feel like it's obsurd.

-Letting the dogs eat the pig up for an extended amount of time. It should be done and done as fast as possible. IMHO hunting is only respectable and sporting if some restraint is used and it's done quickly.

As far is if I'd like it, I know I would not. I personally do not have the stomach for it. Sorry, I'll keep my blinders on and eat crippled chicken from KFC instead. I'm not scared. I would do it if I needed/wanted to. I don't run into burning houses because I'm scared.

As for all the arguing going on, I have zero problem with anyone here and I hope I've not offended anyone. That's a lie, I don't care what the POS who likes dog fighting thinks. but thats it. I was not trolling or fishing. I think this is just a heated debate because people feel very strongly about it and jump to drastic conclusions entirely too fast. And that goes for both sides of the fence.

Lastly, Runningboar asked if I had anything to contribute to this forum. Well, basically no, I do not. I'm hear to learn. Eventually I might, but as of right now I'm only getting ideas and taking in the information.
 
My apologies Jack, your last post was articulate and to the point.

You have to understand hunters, and especially hunters that use dogs, are constantly attacked and I assumed, yes I know how to spell it, that this post was started and aimed in that direction. I and other houndsman tend to get defensive and a bit testy because we have heard the same tired, ignorant, uninformed arguments time after time and it does tend to get a bit old. The world is made of all different things and types, people have different ethics, values, likes and dislikes and when people like allenc make absolute statements about subjects they know very little about, it makes my blood boil. If it is legal, you enjoy it, and it is actually needed to control numbers it is not anyone elses business, hunt hard, take only what you need, make as humane a kill as possible and enjoy. Chris
 
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