I am done with Bark River!!

Honor and Integrity are worth more than any knife and cannot be pigeonholed with a price tag. Personally, I won't own a knife by a maker or company that I can't respect and have sold any such at a loss (in the past) just to be rid of them.

And speaking of honor and integrity, my limited experience with both Tom Krein and Paul Long has shown them each to be excellent ambassadors of those lofty ideals.

Support the good guys.
 
Blues said:
Honor and Integrity are worth more than any knife and cannot be pigeonholed with a price tag. Personally, I won't own a knife by a maker or company that I can't respect and have sold any such at a loss (in the past) just to be rid of them.

And speaking of honor and integrity, my limited experience with both Tom Krein and Paul Long has shown them each to be excellent ambassadors of those lofty ideals.

Support the good guys.
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Agreed...

Honor and integrity are qualities that are lacking in todays society.
IMHO they are the most important qualities a person can have. It's something that can't be bought or sold, they are priceless..

Whether a person likes Buck knives or not, I think there are few people who will argue that there is anyone, or any company, with higher ethics and integrity than Chuck Buck and the employees at Buck. I honestly think that its about more than just sales for them. They truly care about people...
 
It’s interesting but unfair to see how the flaws of a knife order have turned into questioning the honor and integrity of an individual. While I think the OP’s beef is legit at least in regard to the pins, some of the other comments here are really over the top regarding BRKT. Here’s how I see it- I don’t see makers here frequenting the “ other ” forum any more than Mike Stewart posts here (which is apparently never). I don’t know but assume this is related to some loyalty and/or respect for the individual forum owners. There are makers here who charge twice as much as BRKT for a knife (with no sheath) that have had their own noticeable quality problems, which are usually written off to “Sh___ happens sometimes” in the production process. In those cases, I rarely see the folks here directing someone to refund their knives and seek another maker, then questioning the integrity of that person in the process. I think BRKT and the makers who have their home at BF produce fine knives and I own them both. But I wouldn’t listen to the drivel here about BRKT anymore than I would to any bias expressed over there about makers who (for whatever reason) are not there to defend themselves.

As for the OP’s original problem, I would also suggest contacting Mike Stewart directly and he will take care of things for you.
 
kycolonel said:
It’s interesting but unfair to see how the flaws of a knife order have turned into questioning the honor and integrity of an individual.
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It would appear that this has been in question for quite some time. It's not a matter of a QC issue turning into a question of honor or integrity, it's just that there is a long established pattern that is there for anyone who wishes to see.
 
As far as I can see, patterns of gossip and heresay, similar to taking the report of only one (out of two) people involved in a bar fight as being the gospel truth. And yes, I do have strong reason to believe there is another and very different side to some of the stories that have been posted here.

In any case, I do not want turn this thread into yet another exchange about BRKT or why their owner doesn't sign up at BF. At the end of the day, their knives speak for themselves. Some may like them and some don't.
 
Actually, any problems with Mike Stewart's reputation were probably caused by threads like this one:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=585934

kycolonel said:
At the end of the day, their knives speak for themselves. Some may like them and some don't.
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Is that what people say about Jack Crain? Or do his business ethics inform the majority of what is said about him, regardless of how cool his knives might be?

It's one thing to, say, take an issue with how a company markets its knives. Certainly people have been hopping mad at Lynn Thompson over that kind of thing for a long while. Is this situation like that one? It seems like a different issue altogether to me.
 
kycolonel said:
As far as I can see, patterns of gossip and heresay, similar to taking the report of only one (out of two) people involved in a bar fight as being the gospel truth. And yes, I do have strong reason to believe there is another and very different side to some of the stories that have been posted here.
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There are links to further threads (not just one or two) in the one that Sharp Phil just posted. Also, as I recall- and I am not going through 30+ pages to make sure I recall correctly- there were also links posted to public records regarding all kinds of fraud from back in the Blackjack days. Conclude whatever you like, it is nothing to me, but don't dismiss it as just gossip and heresay.
 
So, by that logic for example, Buck knives was at one point sued for patent infringement. And, they admitted moving their facilities from California to Idaho to save money which costs people their jobs. Does this mean we should conclude that Chuck Buck is a greedy patent thief, or is it that during the course of his company business he has been involved in some controversy and accused by others of doing something illegal or unethical. Shall we all stop buying Buck knives as a result? Have you done a legal background check on your favorite makers to see if anytone has sued them or if they have a legal record? It just seems that M Stewart is being singled out here as the only business owner who hasn't faced legal or public challenges of wrongdoing, which is of course nearly unheard of these days.
 
kycolonel said:
So, by that logic for example, Buck knives was at one point sued for patent infringement. And, they admitted moving their facilities from California to Idaho to save money which costs people their jobs. Does this mean we should conclude that Chuck Buck is a greedy patent thief, or is it that during the course of his company business he has been involved in some controversy and accused by others of doing something illegal or unethical. Shall we all stop buying Buck knives as a result? Have you done a legal background check on your favorite makers to see if anytone has sued them or if they have a legal record? It just seems that M Stewart is being singled out here as the only business owner who hasn't faced legal or public challenges of wrongdoing, which is of course nearly unheard of these days.
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So, by that logic, you'll believe anything you want to believe, and ignore anything you don't want to believe -- while refusing to see obvious differences between perfectly understandable scenarios.
 
Porkbilly.223 said:
I was thinking about getting a BR Gunny, now I'm not so sure. You know, Sal from Spyderco and Anne (Chris Reeves wife) from Chris Reeve Knives both post here. You can ask them a question. They're not too busy for you. Why can't Mr. BRK&T?
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Um, because BRKT has their home on another forum. If you call them or e-mail they generally do answer your question immediately.
 
Sharp Phil said:
So, by that logic, you'll believe anything you want to believe, and ignore anything you don't want to believe -- while refusing to see obvious differences between perfectly understandable scenarios.
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Nice dodge of the question Phil! The question is: are you not going to buy Buck knives because someone accused them of stealing a patent. Yes or No? And do you know anything more about that case than the accusations leveled against BRKT?
 
kycolonel said:
Nice dodge of the question Phil! The question is: are you not going to buy Buck knives because someone accused them of stealing a patent. Yes or No? And do you klnow anything more about that than the accusations leveled against BRKT?
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He gave it about all the answer that it deserved. The two scenarios are about as different as they can be.
 
kycolonel said:
I don’t know but assume
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Yup, that's what you do. There's no need for that; you could do a little reading and then you would know, but you choose to assume.


kycolonel said:
As far as I can see, patterns of gossip and heresay, similar to taking the report of only one (out of two) people involved in a bar fight as being the gospel truth.
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No, people don't get convicted of fraud on patterns of gossip or hearsay, and it isn't similar to taking the report of only one (out of two) people involved in a bar fight as being the gospel truth. That's not the way the courts work in this country.

Next I suppose you'll tell us not to make a federal case out of it. Too late....
 
kycolonel said:
Nice dodge of the question Phil! The question is: are you not going to buy Buck knives because someone accused them of stealing a patent. Yes or No? And do you know anything more about that case than the accusations leveled against BRKT?
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I don't fall for rhetorical ploys. Your premises are deeply flawed.
 
roughedges said:
He gave it about all the answer that it deserved. The two scenarios are about as different as they can be.
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Yes, and the important difference is that Buck was allowed to defend thereselves (Buck won btw) whereas some here are taking an irate forums post as the whole truth.

I think I'll move on now as everything that needs saying seems to have been covered here.
 
kycolonel said:
Yes, and the important difference is that Buck was allowed to defend thereselves (Buck won btw) whereas some here are taking an irate forums post as the whole truth.

I think I'll move on now as everything that needs saying seems to have been covered here.
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Ah, I see. You obviously have your brand loyalties and we would do better to go talk to the rocks. But one last time. "an irate forums [sic] post..." is laughable. The whole truth involves many people directly affected by Stewart's actions, anecdotes from past employees, official court records, etc. You would know this, if you bothered to look for yourself.

Further, Stewart had the ability to defend himself in the aforementioned courts and his version of the truth was found sorely lacking. Lastly, he also has the ability to defend himself here, should he choose to do so. Instead, he stays where he is free to delete posts and ban any detractor who is not immediately shouted down by his most loyal customers. Now why do you think that might be, if he is so righteous?


BTW, you have done more to take this thread off its original track than any of us "irate" forum members.
 
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Actually, any problems with Mike Stewart's reputation were probably caused by threads like this one:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=585934



Is that what people say about Jack Crain? Or do his business ethics inform the majority of what is said about him, regardless of how cool his knives might be?

It's one thing to, say, take an issue with how a company markets its knives. Certainly people have been hopping mad at Lynn Thompson over that kind of thing for a long while. Is this situation like that one? It seems like a different issue altogether to me.
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No need to bring up threads like the one linked for kycolonel, because... well just look at posts 628-632. Doesn't matter how many other knife makers have outright stated their opinion and details on matters dealing with MS, doesn't matter that he was found guilty in US court. Oh well.
 
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