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This conversation is actually kind of funny to me, just Tuesday I stopped by Tactical Shit (found out they are pretty close to me!) and talked to them for a good 2-3 hours. Then today I was down and stopped by Asymmetric Solutions and took a tour of the place. Going to go down and take a couple of their classes.

Now I'm itching for an AR myself! Although I think first I'm going to get a Glock. I put 200 rounds through a 17 and a 19 today. Actually did better with the 19 than the 17 which surprised the snot out of me.
 
Well, I have not heard anything bad. But honestly I have not done extensive research beyond shooting a couple and some youtube videos. I do want something that runs under hard use even though I may never need it. I am thinking about getting one in .308 so it can double as a hunting rifle if need be.

Can you point me to articles or whatever so I can read what you are talking about? Can their short comings be fixed/upgraded away?

Thanks for your time.

Jeremy
 
Chameleonbear said:
This conversation is actually kind of funny to me, just Tuesday I stopped by Tactical Shit (found out they are pretty close to me!) and talked to them for a good 2-3 hours. Then today I was down and stopped by Asymmetric Solutions and took a tour of the place. Going to go down and take a couple of their classes.

Now I'm itching for an AR myself! Although I think first I'm going to get a Glock. I put 200 rounds through a 17 and a 19 today. Actually did better with the 19 than the 17 which surprised the snot out of me.
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Glock 19 is hard to beat. It's just small enough to carry but still big enough for home protection. I started with a gen 3 Glock 17 that I still have but if I could do it over again I probably would have got a 19 instead, although I sure love my gen 4 G19 which wasn't out when I got the 17.

AIMsurplus.com has LEO trade-in Glock 19 gen 2's (no finger grooves) for something like $360 before shipping.
 
I actually figured I'd do better with the 17 than the 19 since (traditionally) longer barrel=more accurate. I dropped the same number into the 8 ring (12 per 100) however the 19 was a tighter grouping.
 
KingMC said:
See, this is when I'm totally out of my element when it comes to manly stuff; I've never owned a gun 90% of my total shooting experience has been at indoor ranges.
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That is why they should take this over to the Beckerhead Guns thread.......hint, hint, hint. Though I did laugh my ass off at this quote from Todd:
Lol, I love to harass my wife. When I'm feeling like its time to give her shit, (Jokingly) I point to the kitchen and say " bake me a pie woman!" We get a laugh out of it. I figure if she thought I was serious, she'd beat my ass with a skillet.
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100% of my shooting experience has been with pellet guns.....and bows. OK, and slingshots, I guess.

We had one slingshot when I was a kid that was made of about 20 feet of surgical tubing and anchored to trees on either side of a tree fort. Kids from surrounding parts of the neighborhood would "raid" each other's forts.....until one of 'em almost had his heart drilled out of his chest by a .50 cal acorn. Luckily, it was damned hard to aim....I think everyone managed to keep both their eyes before it was banned by the Geneva Convention.
 
1066vik said:
I'm curious to know what goes into the pie to give it authority?
gunpowder & cast iron shavings?
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granitestateofmind said:
That is why they should take this over to the Beckerhead Guns thread.......hint, hint, hint. Though I did laugh my ass off at this quote from Todd:

100% of my shooting experience has been with pellet guns.....and bows. OK, and slingshots, I guess.

We had one slingshot when I was a kid that was made of about 20 feet of surgical tubing and anchored to trees on either side of a tree fort. Kids from surrounding parts of the neighborhood would "raid" each other's forts.....until one of 'em almost had his heart drilled out of his chest by a .50 cal acorn. Luckily, it was damned hard to aim....I think everyone managed to keep both their eyes before it was banned by the Geneva Convention.
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Shouldn't this be taken to the Beckerhead "shooting random neighbor kids with .50 cal acorns by way of slingshot" thread?
 
dresnor said:
Well, I have not heard anything bad. But honestly I have not done extensive research beyond shooting a couple and some youtube videos. I do want something that runs under hard use even though I may never need it. I am thinking about getting one in .308 so it can double as a hunting rifle if need be.

Can you point me to articles or whatever so I can read what you are talking about? Can their short comings be fixed/upgraded away?

Thanks for your time.

Jeremy
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Here's a link to a thread from about two years ago, I guess it was a beat-to-death topic at the time. Seems the barrels aren't great, they have a 1/9 twist instead of 1/7, the front sight base isn't the right height for a flat top and probably some other stuff. I guess it's possible they have improved. There's too many brands for me to keep tabs on all of them.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?106039-Windham-Weaponry-questions

Here is a good thread on addressing issues on less-than-top-quality AR's.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...ught-a-BM-RRA-Stag-before-I-knew-better!-quot
 
TMHunt said:
Shouldn't this be taken to the Beckerhead "shooting random neighbor kids with .50 cal acorns by way of slingshot" thread?
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Thank goodness you're here, bringing the snark to the snark thread (seriously, you and Erik are the only two with something funny to say - at least atm). Besides, he wasn't random - but I can't remember his name 'cause it was 40 years ago....and I said "almost" - no harm, no foul.
 
Chameleonbear said:
I actually figured I'd do better with the 17 than the 19 since (traditionally) longer barrel=more accurate. I dropped the same number into the 8 ring (12 per 100) however the 19 was a tighter grouping.
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The half inch of extra sight radius and barrel probably won't make a difference to most folks, even serious shooters. What I have noticed is that the grips are all slightly different as opposed to just shortening that G17 grip. They tweek it just a bit for the different frames, which makes sense. You're not the first person to say they shoot the 19 better than the 17.
 
TMHunt said:
Shouldn't this be taken to the Beckerhead "shooting random neighbor kids with .50 cal acorns by way of slingshot" thread?
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Lol. I was thinking the same thing. It is a pretty pointless effort to attempt to wrangle an off topic thread.

I have never shot a neighbor kid with a slingshot, perhaps all interested parties should start their own thread for anyone interested in cardio evisceration via acorn slingshot, that way the rest of us won't have to scroll past a couple posts that we have no interest in:D

Speaking of off topic, I'm going to try and make myself an under quilt for my hammock.
 
Thanks for the links bigghoss.

I have reading material for my breaks at work tomorrow.

Jeremy
 
cbwoods67 said:
Lol. I was thinking the same thing. It is a pretty pointless effort to attempt to wrangle an off topic thread.

I have never shot a neighbor kid with a slingshot, perhaps all interested parties should start their own thread for anyone interested in cardio evisceration via acorn slingshot, that way the rest of us won't have to scroll past a couple posts that we have no interest in:D

Speaking of off topic, I'm going to try and make myself an under quilt for my hammock.
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I was doing no such thing.....I'd have more luck sorting bobcats. It's my own problem that I am compelled to read everything in the snark thread - though I do tend to read faster through this kind of discussion......

What kinda underquilt you gonna make? You gonna DIY one outta some squirrel pelts? Maybe get grandma to help you knit an Afghan out of space blankets?

Seriously, tho - having slept in mine without one a couple weeks ago.....I need one if I'm gonna do that again. Check the beginning of the Northeast Gathering sticky for the idea MadIndian came up with. Have the stuff, just haven't put it together yet.
 
granitestateofmind said:
I was doing no such thing.....I'd have more luck sorting bobcats. It's my own problem that I am compelled to read everything in the snark thread - though I do tend to read faster through this kind of discussion......

What kinda underquilt you gonna make? You gonna DIY one outta some squirrel pelts? Maybe get grandma to help you knit an Afghan out of space blankets?

Seriously, tho - having slept in mine without one a couple weeks ago.....I need one if I'm gonna do that again. Check the beginning of the Northeast Gathering sticky for the idea MadIndian came up with. Have the stuff, just haven't put it together yet.
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Shouldn't this be in the Beckerhead "Grandma is gonna help me knit a under quit for my hammock" thread?
 
TMHunt said:
Shouldn't this be in the Beckerhead "Grandma is gonna help me knit a under quit for my hammock" thread?
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Dunno. Ask Cooper - he was the one who went off the rails with the off-off-way off topic-ness of DIY underquilts. Maybe he should try your "get yerself to work and make me an underquilt, woman!" method......might work....
 
everlasting gobstoppers used to be .68 cal and would feed in a paintball gun......
I wonder if they're down to .50 cal yet.....

Todd - I haven't heard anything bad about del-ton.
 
bigghoss said:
For AR15's I say stick with 5.56. I'm sure you're more than capable of building an AK from a receiver flat which would also be considered an 80% receiver if you really want to shoot 7.62x39. The magwell of the AR15 and the extreme taper of the 'x39 cartridge usually work alright but you can't beat an AK mag for feeding AK ammo.

Oh goodness, if you start working on guns I'll have to start direct depositing my pay into your account.

I believe the chrome lining was mainly for corrosion resistance and durability and one of the major downsides is that it's difficult to control the thickness and accuracy can suffer. As I understand it, the army's M-110 (variant of an AR10) sniper rifle lacks a chrome lined bore and chamber for this reason
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Yes, chrome lining was for corrosion resistance but does make accuracy harder since it is difficult to get the plating uniform. Another reason why nitride is better.

According to KAC, the M110 does have a chrome-lined barrel. Probably the reason why it is spec'ed for 1.5 minute of angle (if I recall correctly).

dresnor said:
You guys are killing me with the AR talk. I am saving up for one this winter. I have thought about building my own but I am not sure. I do want a Windham Weaponry AR-15 since they made right here in Maine.

As always advice is welcome.

Jeremy
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I bought a Windham back in 2011 and have had no problems with it. I also have a Colt pre-ban carbine that someone built from an original Colt HBAR, the HBAR parts rebuilt into an A3 style with DS Arms parts, an LMT CQB piston carbine, and various rifles built from parts from DS Arms, Palmetto State, Anderson Rifles, Aero Precision, Brownells, etc, etc. In general, it is safe to go with milspec parts from wherever you feel comfortable with. I've got almost half the rifles chambered in 300 AAC Blackout now, mainly for pig hunting. All of them are reliable and get the job done. It's really hard for anyone with a modicum of skills to screw up an AR.

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So, what kind of reputation does Del ton have as far as AR parts. I have one lined up for a even trade on a shop project that I have no money in, just some time. The upper is a full upper. Dust cover, forward assist, retractable sights, the whole nine yards chambered in 5.56. If I decided to do the trade, that would basically be free to me other than a few hours labor thats already been spent. Thoughts?
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Delton has a decent reputation from what I've seen. I've also seen people talking trash about them on the interwebz. But that happens with nearly every brand except the top tier that is inhabited by hoards of fan boys: Larue, LMT, Daniel Defense, Noveske. Except my list may or may not agree with the "expert's" list on the webz. Opinions are like certain body parts....we all have them. Here is one example:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1446406_AR_Manufacturer_Tier_Quality_Ranking.html

bigghoss said:
Here's a link to a thread from about two years ago, I guess it was a beat-to-death topic at the time. Seems the barrels aren't great, they have a 1/9 twist instead of 1/7, the front sight base isn't the right height for a flat top and probably some other stuff. I guess it's possible they have improved. There's too many brands for me to keep tabs on all of them.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?106039-Windham-Weaponry-questions

Here is a good thread on addressing issues on less-than-top-quality AR's.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread...ught-a-BM-RRA-Stag-before-I-knew-better!-quot
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See above. Also, when people on the thread start spouting caca like "Its been said here before and I firmly believe a rifle, at least one based on a mil. Platform should be a fighting tool first and anything else is secondary", I quickly lose interest in their opinion (the first thread). People on those boards also tend to obsess about all sorts of things that really shouldn't be a big deal. Too many people wring their hands over MPI testing of bolt carriers. The number that fail this testing is minuscule, so manufacturers spend a lot of time and money without a lot of return in terms of identifying defects. Maybe I've gotten a little cavalier since I've been shooting the M16/AR-15 since 1980...

I better quit before I drone on longer and get this moved to the "curmudgeon" thread. Bottom line is to not believe everything you read on the internet, buy from some place you are comfortable with, ask questions of folks you trust, and don't put your face too close on that first test shot....hahahaha
 
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