I can't believe this - I'm not only angry, but I'm extremely disappointed.

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Spark,

I'm a dealer, and I hang out here. NEVER have I tried to post a for sale item here(that was inventory. I did sell two personal pieces here awhile ago), BECAUSE I don't pay for any advertising. I will, but right now my marketing budget is pretty slim, and it is basically spent in the local market. I would just like to thank you and Mike for providing these wonderful playing grounds for us all.

Joe Glessner, owner
Sycotic Samurai Cutlery

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Based on Internet Marketing practices, the minimum would be $225,000 - free and clear. That's based on the number of unique hits per day x days of the month... at $1 per. Toss in another 75 large and Mike and myself would work on it ...
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Anyone want to buy it?

Of course, that's idle talk, and we'd probably sell a lot higher than that.

Spark

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ENOUGH RHETORIC!!! Especially with the presidential candidates going full steam, I've had enough.

Those FEW dealers who have invested in advertizing here AND are now unhappy with the change in policy have been offered a pro- rated REFUND for the time period remaining.

What's left to talk about? You've expressed your displeasure. This may be far from a one sided issue, but I think everything's been said.

WHY CONTINUE TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE??

This forum is for the vast majority of us who are still quite happy here, including private dealers, custom knife makers, and knife nuts like myself.


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"You can please some of the people all the time, and all of the people some of the time but you can't please all the people all the time." Abe Lincoln.

Mike and Spark you did what you had to do to survive. That is the number one priority.

For the dealers that are bitching because "It ain't free no more" sharpen your pencils, reduce your overhead, find a better source (wholesaler) and start running your business like it was meant to be run in an economy that is based on the Free Enterprise System. (free here means unrestricted, not without cost) Also go find the guy that guarenteed you that you would be successful in the knife business and Slap him in the chops.
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Anyone who didn't see this coming from day 1 sure wasn't paying attention. 2 years this site has been running and running well I might add. Mike's a businessman and that was obivous also from the start. So what then is the big deal? It's his site and he can do what he wants he sold knives before and now using his site he will sell knives again. The fact is regardless of any ulterior motives on his part unless running a business falls into that catagory he has provided a fantastic and state of the art place for people who love knives. Now 2 years later after footing the bill he wants to sell knives here on his own site and people complain. One thing I haven't seen touched on here(unless I missed it) Is the matter of Spark. I have never heard anyone wonder where his money comes from yet we have come to take for granted that when ever this site goes down Spark will drop everything he is doing to fix the problem.I believe once he said he doesnt get paid much for doing this maybe thats changed and hopefully he is well compensated for all his time and effort he puts into running and maintaining this form. So I ask you should they both just keep doing this using there money so we have a place to hang and talk about knives? Cause if that were to happen this place wouldn't be here much longer and I for one don't want to seee that happen. these have been the ramblings of an old man and just my opinion is all.
Bob
 
spark,

i never understood why more folks did not take advantage of the banner rates, it is a good price for a years' subscription which is why we took you and mike up on your offer to support BFC with our paid banner ad.


more folks should still take advantage of it.

if more did, the whole flashpoint may have been avoided.




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I realize this is the 1st post I have made, but I have the same opinion as many other people on this matter. I joined BFC because like all of you, I like knives and enjoy the conversation, but all of the moaning and groaning takes away from some of the pleasure.

Someone said enough is enough. I totally agree. Besides, have any of you checked out the store. As far as internet dealers go, the prices are not the best around. If you can't compete with their prices, perhaps you should reconsider your decision to sell knives in such a competitive market place.

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Spark, Mike, I'd like to suggest a minor policy tweak that'll help end the controversy.

If any of the banner ad dealers want to set up a limited run of "BF Special" pieces, with an otherwise-unique pattern, color option or markings, let them advertize such critters on the main forum.

That'll eliminate the last real "inequity" between the paid ad dealers and 1SKS and put everybody on a level field. Any complaints beyond that are ludicrous.

Jim
 
Patrick and Chief are correct.
Fool me once shame on you.
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Patrick,

I accept your conclusion of impracticality based on the numbers you provided. It is difficult to determine the true profit without knowing the fixed and variable costs of a firm and the markups provided. I was using my 11 years as an Inventory Analyst for a restaraunt supply company as a basis for my statements.

The idea that Mike or Spark would cause this effect specifically in order to make life difficult for other vendors was not the intent of my other statement. I was attempting to say, and none too clearly, that if it became necessary for this action to take place, the resulting effects would be far less pleasant than the situation is now.

I appreciate the position this entire situation has placed you in. And, although I would like to, I can't say that I would have reacted any differently than you have, under the circumstances. As I said , self preservation is not an evil thing. And that goes for everyone. And I have considered the possibility that there could be other things going on between the different parties that I am unaware of.

I guess the main point of all my comments could be summed up by saying, "I'm sorry that things are like this for everyone involved. It appears that all the people are just doing what they believe to be necessary, and communication appears to have been less than adequate. But it could easily have been worse for everyone."



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The members have spoken and this is a member driven site, so I am moving this to TGTB&TU.

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