I don't like the new production protocol.

Matteo Escobar

Matteo Escobar

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It may have seemed like a good idea at the time, but I think that it's turned out to be a bust.

In my OPINION, there should always be five designs on the table:
-BM
-SH
-NO
-SJ
-BA

This experiment of spreading the designs out over time has not worked out. It really has not. First of all the time line has not been even close to being accurate. Second, the projected designs are far from the original idea (Pork Belly Skinner's and Ak's?). Third, it's simply ridiculous that the BM has not been manufactured in several years.

I used to be all about the Busse's, but it's gotten a bit difficult lately to get excited.

What really gets me is that the wait time has not gone down one minute since Jerry started offering only two at a time.

And if Jerry's intention was to create a greater demand by limiting supply, it hasn't really worked. All I see is frustrated customers.

If Jerry's original vision had worked, that he would be shipping out two new models every 30 days, than I'm sure it would have been a success.

Just my opinion. Flame away.................


(If anyone can appreciate this post, it's Jerry. This kind of customer feedback doesn't come cheap)
 
I appreciate all of the points in your post, but for me none of the things you mention cause me any particular concern.

For 10 years I only needed/used one knife: my Chris Reeve Shadow 7”. It did everything I needed and wanted to do.

Now I have the money and time to buy any knife I want (as long as I save and live carefully for months at a time), and I buy the knives I like: Busses, Swamp Rats, Chris Reeves, Randalls, and now customs.

If I need or want a specific edged tool there is a worldwide secondary market for me to search, and if it hasn’t been made yet I simply have to wait.

Most of the things I can go out and buy immediately are bread and butter items that hold about as much appeal as bread and butter. For the things I like I have to work around other people’s lives and plans.
 
Even Henry Ford stopped making Model 'A's. Ford has since developed new models every year and they keep getting better........I think......or maybe not....well you don't have to work on them as long as you used to. :D
 
well i don't know.... i think it is a good thing that jerry's mind is working overtime designing new models. he has to fit them into the schedule somehow.

evolution my friend... evolution err maybe i should say

MUTATION:eek: :cool: :thumbup: :eek: :cool: :thumbup:
 
I think most customers would prefer at least some standard models available at all times, but I think the problem would be which ones. Some might say only the smaller ones like the AS, AD and perhaps MrS (std. and Leaner), while others might only want the bigger ones; the result would be nearly all models would end up being base models. I am somewhat surprised the FBM has not been released yet.

Having the more unusual models makes things more interesting. I probably will not buy a HR or PBS, but I'm glad the AK made a comeback.

In today's society where people don't like to wait, I'm not sure there is an easy answer. I feel it is Jerry's business to run as he chooses, and while some customers might get tired of waiting and buy other brands, it does appear his business is doing well even with the somewhat unusual production schedule.

Gene
 
FLAME ON...? Oh yeah, Johnny Storm, The Human Torch, Fantastic Four, yeah just watched it the other night. Fun movie. :rolleyes:

Come on now... really? Waiting is part of the fun. It was something that I had to get use too. I'm by no means a patient person but this waiting for just the right knife or buying one and trading it for just the right knife brings a lot of interest into the other method of "click & get". The forum here eases a lot of that frustration that some of us are feeling right now, so kick back and enjoy the conversation and the anticipation for the next knife. Besides, the wait period gives me time to decide and save the dough needed to buy a knife. Jerry's worth the wait.
 
Believe me, it's not hard for any Busse fanatic to agree with any post here. But at some point the idea of "tough love" has to come into play.

So you all are saying that the current production protocol is the best possible system?

All of you Busse fans think that it is fine that the BM has not been available for a few years now?

Like I said, my knife money has gone elsewhere recently.....reluctantly.
 
I have no problem with the fact that the FBM hasn’t been available for a few years.

There are enough interesting earlier BMs for sale out there to keep me entertained for a couple more years.

Both growth models, and conventional production models, suit companies that do/make conventional things.

I have no interest in conventional things, and therefore am prepared to adjust to unconventional processes.

If/when sales drop off Jerry might rethink how he makes and sells knives, but until then I’m not going to be bothered by a system that delivers enough cool stuff to keep me and a lot of other people happy.

If you want to end up with a standard line like Randall then we’ll end up with a similar wait time. I’d rather the entertaining uncertainty we are a part of here.
 
Matteo Escobar said:
... So you all are saying that the current production protocol is the best possible system?

All of you Busse fans think that it is fine that the BM has not been available for a few years now? ...
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My answer is no to both questions. I would MUCH prefer all models be available at all times with a reasonable wait, but this apparently is not possible with Busse's current production capacity. I'm sure the FBM sales will be high, in part due to the long wait that has been endured by those considering buying one and not wanting to wait 2 more years before they are available again.
 
also, and i think this is VERY IMPORTANT,

busse's have always increased in value. one of the main reasons for this is the fact that they are not always in stock or out of model production for short periods of time.

this makes it way nicer to spend a few more bucks on a semi custom knife and know that if you have to sell it you will still get you value back and quite possibly more.

this protects your knife investment. i think it's great that you can buy a busse, use it, and still sell it for like new price a few years later.

i think this might be a ploy by Matteo, a known INFI HOG to somehow get his hands on our INFI :confused:
 
Matteo Escobar said:
Believe me, it's not hard for any Busse fanatic to agree with any post here. But at some point the idea of "tough love" has to come into play.

So you all are saying that the current production protocol is the best possible system?

All of you Busse fans think that it is fine that the BM has not been available for a few years now?

Like I said, my knife money has gone elsewhere recently.....reluctantly.
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A 1 man strike is not going to hurt Busse profits at all. You are only giving another person the opportunity to own the blade of a lifetime. Whatever line of knives you support I hope they bring you much enjoyment. There are many quality knives out there.
I also must add that Cliff Stamp is a great source of info out there. Any time I think about buying a new knife I check to see if he has broke one yet. I must say that if it does not come out of Waussen then it probably has been broke by him. Why do I like Cliffs reviews so much? If I ever had to stake my life on my knife I know I would be treating it about the same way he does in his tests. A knife does not just cut, all though a lot of people believe that cutting is its only purpose. Truth of the matter is that if its your only tool then you will use it in whatever way you need it. I dont want to be stuck in the middle of nowhere and be questioning my knife's toughness. Jerry and Jennifer have an excellent crew that produce wonderful knives however that does not mean its the blade for you. I wish you the best of luck on your journey to find a quality knife maker that will produce knives for you on demand.
John
 
idahoskunk said:
i think this might be a ploy by Matteo, a known INFI HOG to somehow get his hands on our INFI :confused:
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Wait a second... how do we even know it is the real Matteo. Maybe it's a angry wife or girlfriend who has the real Matteo tied up and is forcing him to watch as she makes these posts.

Hang in there bro, help is on the way. Piglets unite, a Heavy Hog is in need of our help!
 
I don't mind the "new production protocol". If its easyer to set up the shop to only make one or two kinds of knives at a time, then cool, go for it. I like the hit and miss nature of the line. And it does make me want to buy a knife when its available, cause I know I will not have another crack at it for a few years.
 
I can't say that the current production scheme is the best for me, but then I'm not the one making the knives. I believe that if it were truly possible to offer all of those knives as standard, always available models, that Jerry would be doing just that. It may even be his goal. However, with such high demand, an ever increasing product line and customer base and the ability to make a limited number of knives of any model at any given time, I would guess that it's the best compromise that any of us could come up with. And I'm sure that the military contracts will often throw a monkey wrench in the plans.

I could care less if there have been change ups in the intended schedule of model releases. It just doesn't matter to me. There have been some pretty cool things to come out of the shop either way and this affords Jerry the ability to develop new manufacturing techniques and blade designs that will potentially enhance the models that follow. The FBM may for instance find a version of the corrugated bevel that will make it that much stronger as a result of the work that was done on the SJTs and the AK-47s.

I'd say that the knives being offered in longer then 30 day intervals has actually helped me. If there were 2 new models offered and available for only 30 days, that would mean that I'd never be able to afford a lot of what I want. The longer that a knife is available, the longer I have to get the money together before it's taken down. Some people can afford to buy one or two of every model that comes out the day that they are offered and are anxious for the next models because they know that they can afford those right away. That's not my situation. I have to choose very carefully what I can afford and what I will have to pass on. A little extra time helps the guys like me.

You seem pretty tweaked that you haven't been able to get a FBM yet and stated that you bought something else instead. Out of curiosity, what did you get that would equal a FBM? Seriously, is there anything else made by anyone that even comes close? I'm not being a smart ass, I'm really just curious.

I think you have some valid points, but I can't fault Jerry one bit for how he's running the show. I haven't walked in his shoes, so I don't feel that I'm in a position to second guess his decisions. If you don't like how things are going right now, then maybe you have a suggestion on how they might run better. Without knowing all of the variables involved though, I doubt that we will come up with anything useful. What I do know is that I love his knives and look forward to the next one that I can afford to buy. :thumbup:
 
I agree with Matteo. 100%

Personally I Went from ordering dozens upon dozens of Busse knives a year to ordering- three this year. Used to be able to call order, "two weeks" later Bam. New knife. Now it's all sit and wait. Remember it was Blade 2003 the new line was released. Two models a month, BM's by Christmas 03' that was big news, There was excitement about it. Now two years later....Sit and wait.
 
well, I don't know about you guys, but I keep on buying BM's left and right...:D

so what's the problem?:confused:
 
Whether people agree with Jerry or not I feel this was a useless thread. We have a great bunch of people here who are bickering over something that they have no control over. If Jerry can make it better he will but he cannot ditch an effective system because people are crying there are no FBM's available.
Either way it makes no difference to me as I prefer SRKW and prolly will not order another large Busse until the handle gets a facelift . People complain about SRKW's system as well but in the end the dedicated rats get the cheese. Its not a perfect system but take what you can get.
From a collectors point of view this system is perfect. There are people who have ordered 10+FSH and about 6 months after they are taken out of production they will sell them for a large profit. Jerry has a marketing technique simular to the release of the 17HMR. Hype it up for a year before release and then when the announcment comes you will sell more than you can possibly make.
 
custom1022 said:
Whether people agree with Jerry or not I feel this was a useless thread. We have a great bunch of people here who are bickering over something that they have no control over. If Jerry can make it better he will but he cannot ditch an effective system because people are crying there are no FBM's available.
Either way it makes no difference to me as I prefer SRKW and prolly will not order another large Busse until the handle gets a facelift . People complain about SRKW's system as well but in the end the dedicated rats get the cheese. Its not a perfect system but take what you can get.
From a collectors point of view this system is perfect. There are people who have ordered 10+FSH and about 6 months after they are taken out of production they will sell them for a large profit. Jerry has a marketing technique simular to the release of the 17HMR. Hype it up for a year before release and then when the announcment comes you will sell more than you can possibly make.
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Rats, go back to your holes. Out of here
 
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