I don't think so??

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I dont think it was so much the comments Jerry made as some of the off handed comments made by others. :( But, when a discussion of the bestest, toughestest, ubersuper indestructo never have to sharpen again steel, or even the makers of such knives it attracts the same amount of nay sayers. Busse, Strider, Emerson, and yes even Bark River has a rabid following that defend their favorite knives with gusto, and get called cultists for their trouble.

I've chosen one brand to support and collect, and I've had to defend that choice over and over again. Lots of "I dont get it" and "Good ol boys club"

I respect others choices, even if I dont get it. Why cant others respect my choices instead of slamming me for them? :confused: And yea, I was "smart" enough to read the whole thread last night, and I still think Hossum closed the discussion way too quick.

Hey General! :) I found an old post from way back where you were getting a BMe! How'd that work out? Still got it? :cool:

leatherman, not sure if my comment of this is bs, would be considered over the top, but frankly i just spent all morning chopping nails and sheet metal to defend my stance,,,,, this is bs.
 
VTW I think the test he is describing is different from what your doing. I am not saying at all that you OR Mr. Hossom is wrong I just want to figure out what this test looks like exactly so then we can better understand whats going on.
 
well barrabas....... i dont know of any other way to chop into a nail..... i just showed in my thread at least 8 ways to do so...... if he has some super secret way then lets see it and i promise to duplicate it......
 
well barrabas....... i dont know of any other way to chop into a nail..... i just showed in my thread at least 8 ways to do so...... if he has some super secret way then lets see it and i promise to duplicate it......

Thats kinda what I mean...you have done it ALL the ways you know how...not questioning you or your methods at all, you have shown pics and backed it up. I want to see the exact test that Mr. Hossom is doing so that we can understand better.
 
well barrabas....... i dont know of any other way to chop into a nail..... i just showed in my thread at least 8 ways to do so...... if he has some super secret way then lets see it and i promise to duplicate it......
he can even send me the nail..... and i am not slagging or slamming him, i have just had very different experiences and not anything like his damage has occured, the only explaination is the blade shoud be examined by jerry busse to see if there is a fault in his heat treat or something else as i think he would agree a blowout like that is uncommon as i have shown repeatedly
 
I have hit nails in crates and wire on fence posts with mine and never had much more than a roll, I dont think anyone here has had the same thing happen that Mr. Hossom has...if they have please chime in.
 
Off topic, but interesting...

I read about this steel comparison. Makes me want to take one of my beasts out and chop the damm nail in half!
http://www.jerzeedevil.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20060
I went over to that link and had a little read about things going on there.

That link is a very clear example of everything thats wrong about our little world and the Internet.(That topic had something to do with cutting a nail with a knife at the start, but it took off from there!)

You also see what a great struggle it is for good men to fix a situation that only took a second to screw up.
 
man oh man.....

so my efforts here have been construed as aggressive..... jerry...(not jerry busse) take a pill man, all i am saying is there is a wacked reason for the damage the blade suffered and that is based on solid experiences, your not being attacked and we all know your demo was to discuss steel... not take on a beef with busse...... we all get that.... all i am saying is i dont get why you had that type of damage. if you would like to explain your test then we can get on with this discussion....
 
I dont think it was so much the comments Jerry made as some of the off handed comments made by others. :( But, when a discussion of the bestest, toughestest, ubersuper indestructo never have to sharpen again steel, or even the makers of such knives it attracts the same amount of nay sayers. Busse, Strider, Emerson, and yes even Bark River has a rabid following that defend their favorite knives with gusto, and get called cultists for their trouble.

I've chosen one brand to support and collect, and I've had to defend that choice over and over again. Lots of "I dont get it" and "Good ol boys club"

I respect others choices, even if I dont get it. Why cant others respect my choices instead of slamming me for them? :confused: And yea, I was "smart" enough to read the whole thread last night, and I still think Hossum closed the discussion way too quick.

Hey General! :) I found an old post from way back where you were getting a BMe! How'd that work out? Still got it? :cool:


Sory my friend, I never found a BMe at the price I could manage at the time and I am out of work at the moment so am unable to afford one.

I must confess though those Scrapyard? Knives in the S7 look very tempting and I will certainly buy one of those when I can scrape together the funds. The large one is $165 IIRC and that seems like a fantastic deal to me!:thumbup:
 
Sory my friend, I never found a BMe at the price I could manage at the time and I am out of work at the moment so am unable to afford one.

I must confess though those Scrapyard? Knives in the S7 look very tempting and I will certainly buy one of those when I can scrape together the funds. The large one is $165 IIRC and that seems like a fantastic deal to me!:thumbup:

Try the ScrapYard Dog Father. Great price for one heck of a knife. :)
 
I posted this over in the other thread, but I'll duplicate it here:

As I read it, the original testing was done by Rob Simonich, which gives us at least an estimate of when it happened, but it was clearly several years ago. The pictures don't show enough detail to determine if the blade is BMe or SHBM. Anyone know the correct answer?

I also know there has been discussion before that Jerry's heat treatment protocol has changed from the original recipe. The RC level has been dropped a couple of points from what it was back in the day. Perhaps it was the result of just this type of testing?

All this demonstrates is that the current FBM can resist this sort of damage. I am sorry that he felt this was a dog pile. I enjoy these discussions.
 
Well I just joined the JDF thread as well. I am really trying to keep it level so we can hear more from Jerry regarding his test and perhaps how it is different than what VTW has showed us here. Hopefully, we will hear and see more.
 
Sory my friend, I never found a BMe at the price I could manage at the time and I am out of work at the moment so am unable to afford one.

I must confess though those Scrapyard? Knives in the S7 look very tempting and I will certainly buy one of those when I can scrape together the funds. The large one is $165 IIRC and that seems like a fantastic deal to me!:thumbup:

Bingo! The Scrapyard Dogfather is so much bang for your buck! I have one and can truthfully say he could have gotten twice the money and still sold out. I wish you were closer, I'd mail this beast to you in a heartbeat, its that good.

Sorry to hear about the BMe, the prices have gone way off the chart. :( But ya never know what will happen in a few years.

VTW, step back, take a deep breath, its not worth the effort. The makers are one thing, their knives are some of the best out there, but I dont have to like the people behind them. :)
 
I think everyone "jumped the gun" a little here....I have lots of knives, mostly Busse & Bark River. That is what I like and collect and use. I do not have any Hossum blades and I have never met Mr. Hossom, but have exchanged comments with him on several ocassions, and have great respect for him and consider him a valuable source of knowledge. His thread on sharpening has changed the way I use and sharpen knives. The same can be said of Mike Stewart, except I have met him. Both are stand up guys.
I think the whole this is a misunderstanding, as to how to properly set up this test. Like others have stated, it is not about being able to cut through a nail, we all know that can be done. What this test shows is how well a blade stands up to lateral stress. The results will be greatly affected by steel type, heat treat, and edge geometry.
Mr. Hosssom also stated that the results were different:
"The principle difference is the nature of the damage. The S30V at Rc 59/60 chipped. The Battle Mistress deformed similar to the failure mode I've seen with CPM-3V at Rc 61 in the same kind of test"
Isn't that what INFI is supposed to do?
So, in this test, the s30v basically failed, and the INFI passed, as deformation can be fixed, so to speak. That is one of the reasons I like Mr. Busse's steel & heat treat, and Mr. Stewart's steel & heat treat. They both perform very well for my uses.
There were no derogatory comments about Busse or INFI.
Mr. Hossum was upset about the post on BF, but there where only two bad posts there. But I know he has past experience with threads becoming hijacked into battles.
People on all sides got defensive. Sometimes what is written in a post is interpreted differently than the poster intended. There is no good way to show emotion and inflection.
But personal attacks by anybody are really uncalled for. My sig line really says it all.

I am a member of all three forums, and plan to continue to be.

This is all just my opinion, but I consider Jerry, Mike and Jerry to be my "friends", and I hate it when friends fight........can't we all just get along?;)
 
Bingo! The Scrapyard Dogfather is so much bang for your buck! I have one and can truthfully say he could have gotten twice the money and still sold out. I wish you were closer, I'd mail this beast to you in a heartbeat, its that good.

Sorry to hear about the BMe, the prices have gone way off the chart. :( But ya never know what will happen in a few years.

Yes, that is the one I have my eye on! Funds just can't be squeezed enough right now for this knife. ALL OFFERS TO BUY, SELL, OR TRADE ARE TO OCCUR IN THE EXCHANGE. THANK YOU. As Stabber would say, lotsa knives, no money!:o
 
Yes, that is the one I have my eye on! Funds just can't be squeezed enough right now for this knife. ALL OFFERS TO BUY, SELL, OR TRADE ARE TO OCCUR IN THE EXCHANGE. THANK YOU. As Stabber would say, lotsa knives, no money!:o

lol! Mike, I dont think he was serious, besides, getting any Busse product outta my hands like like pulling teeth. ;) And they dont call me Cactus Jack for nuttin. (missing tooth and all :o )

And yeppers, I know the feeling, knife rich money poor. :D
 
Those results are interesting, I wish someone that makes blades in S30V would bring one to Blade and challenge Jerry Busse in a live test, so that we could all see the results in person. Busse Combat has had an open challenge for years and no one has ever taken him up on it (except Swamp Rat ;) )

Live testing is where it is at, when I see it done live I will believe it, until then it is just talk.
 
I forgot to mention, if any maker reads this and decides to challenge Busse live at Blade make sure you let him know prior to the show starting, otherwise all his blades will be sold and he'll have to get a loaner from one of his customers ;)

:D:D
 
After reading that thread I have lost a lot of respect for Jerry Hossom and Mike Stewart.
 
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