Off Topic I hate this kid.

375dave said:
Well Don, I must have been in my early teens and digging a drain field for my folks. I always loved the feeling for accomplishment working with a shovel. I am in my mid 60's and will still pick a chore that I can accomplish with a couple of wheel borrows a day.
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I would have rathered shoveled what you did for 3 days than what I did for 3 days every spring...I think hard work like that builds character, don't you?
 
Yes it does, I always liked that I could see what my work created, a hole dug, a pile moved. I did the 3 days in the spring a time or two. The worst for me was an old chicken barn.
 
I have to say, I have owned many knives I chop and baton with. Busse Combat is one of the brand's (but others as well). Some are fine to take abuse. Marketed for it, designed for it, with steel that is nearly impossible to break. (And a warranty that encourages it).

It is a legit technique for making small kindling from bigger pieces with out an ax. Buck has designs optimized for just such chopping/batonning. Like their froe, and their other fixed blade 5160 designs with full tang, and 5160 steel.

I'm an Eagle Scout (many years ago) and have been a Scout Master to many Scouts over the course of the years. I've taught the technique to others (specifically to get at dryer wood in the center, and make little pieces of kindling with out chopping an axe or big knife at a piece of wood you are holding. Just set the edge where you want it, and hit the spine with your fingers/hand safely out of the way). When I show the technique to Scouts I give a pretty good explanation of what design of knives it works with, and what others to avoid.

I've had to start a fire in the snow, while suffering from early stages of hypothermia in the Teatons. Ive built a lot of camp fires in Scouts as well, including in rain, and in the Cascades. I've taught others how, including primitive methods like fire bow, hand drill, etc.


I have many knives I would not chop or baton with.

A Buck in stainless with a thin hollow grind, through tang, and squared shoulders where the guard meets up is not a design I'd consider a chopper or batonning candidate.

My dad has a black handled Buck fixed blade he has been using for hunting and camping my whole life, I'd never believe it if I saw him wacking a log or batonning it. Of course he also has axes, chain saws, heavy camp chopper/machete etc. He has tools that he would use rather than a knife designed more for cutting/slicing meat, cheese, rope, etc, etc.

I just bought a matching Buck 120 and 110 combo for my self, and my two young boys for Christmas. You better believe we will have a conversation about appropriate use. They have seen me chop and baton with big knives, and little full tang fixed blades designed for it. But in use tools as they are designed/fit to be used.

As was said, though, this kid is likely only getting "knowledge" from internet "experts" who smash knives against rocks to test them........ (not that I don't own knives you could smash against rocks that would survive fine.....).
 
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jbmonkey said:
well said Sir, but its not just kids though. i run into adults everyday, some older than me, that are exactly as you described. this is a many generation problem across all products and industries and age groups.

how old is this kid...sounds like about 12 to maybe 15?
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His voice too high for 15. Probably 12 or 13. His dad probably bought it for him and then he broke it intentionally, intending all along to make the video for youtube.
 
David Martin said:
I like it. Wonder if he actually used that knife. DM
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It was tempting just to see how useful this monster is. My cousin did the dirty work with a 101 in 420hc while I hiked back for the 4-wheeler to drag him out.

I have little doubt that if I'm in the woods and need to quarter an animal like this that it could be done with the 905. It has a great shape for both delicate work and heavy cutting.

But... it is a GIANT
 
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Jeff O said:
If nothing else, it was a life lesson that should have been learned quietly. Not broadcasted on YouTube. That's the world we live in today unfortunately.
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Another problem is that it doesn't appear he didn't learn any lesson at all.
If he had he'd not have made a video on how bad Buck knives supposedly are, and would've instead made a video telling others not to baton with their Buck 119.

He may not have learned anything from this knife experience, but maybe the comments he gets on his video may make him rethink some things.
 
You know, all this talk about the untrained kids got me thinking. I saw an untrained young guy who had attempted to split a short piece of firewood with a hatchet while holding the wood with his left hand! The result required professional medical attention.

if an untrained or idiotic person has to split wood batoning is less likely to result in cutting his hand or finger off than using a hatchet!
 
Pondoro2310 said:
You know, all this talk about the untrained kids got me thinking. I saw an untrained young guy who had attempted to split a short piece of firewood with a hatchet while holding the wood with his left hand! The result required professional medical attention.

if an untrained or idiotic person has to split wood batoning is less likely to result in cutting his hand or finger off than using a hatchet!
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That is one way to look at it, however there are multiple ways to use a hatchet.
If you hold the hatchet perpendicular to the wood and swing them together you've got an even better splitting method than batoning a knife, you can also hold it by the bottom end against a log and strike the top end to create a split then pry apart.

Not to mention using a sissy stick to take the place of your support hand.
 
MT_Pokt said:
It was tempting just to see how useful this monster is. My cousin did the dirty work with a 101 in 420hc while I hiked back for the 4-wheeler to drag him out.

I have little doubt that if I'm in the woods and need to quarter an animal like this that it could be done with the 905. It has a great shape for both delicate work and heavy cutting.

But... it is a GIANT
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Such an awesome looking knife
 
Hickory n steel said:
Another problem is that it doesn't appear he didn't learn any lesson at all.
If he had he'd not have made a video on how bad Buck knives supposedly are, and would've instead made a video telling others not to baton with their Buck 119.

He may not have learned anything from this knife experience, but maybe the comments he gets on his video may make him rethink some things.
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It will sink in eventually... Someday.
 
VorpalRain said:
At least this kid likes knives.
Most kids just play video games on their phones--all they know about knives is playing these stupid video games where they chop heads off with swords.
Kid could be worse.
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100% agree.
I'll take this kid spouting ignorance due to age over the screen zombies we now produce.
I'm also just happy Youtube didn't exist when I was a dumb 13yr old, lol.
Seems most of us older dudes forgot how dumb we were at that age...
 
David Martin said:
That's the M.O. of 'the new' knife owners of today. They come into knives having no knowledge of what to do with a knife. No dad to teach them.
So they immediately go to beating it into something under the auspicious of 'Testing'. Then get it stuck, start twisting and torquing it and break it. They quickly arrive at the conclusion that the knife should have been able to 'take that'. And demand the company to stand behind their product or I'll post this on social media. The company then thinks, just give him a new replacement rather than a platform, then he can't say much. I see this pattern often. They need teaching. DM
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This is exactly right. Just look at how often guys ask about "hard use folders" or say that they are hard on knives and need a heavy duty blade "for work purposes" (which a lot of time involves cutting cardboard, zip ties and plastic straps). The Spyderco PM2 is a wildly popular knife, for good reason. It's got a strong lock and the blade is a really good slicer. But when guys break the tips off or damage the edges (some of which are so thin; of course they're going to get damaged chopping on a thick zip tie or strap), they complain that the knife is weak.

If we are going to have a cardboard slicing competition, I'll take my Stanley razor knife with 10 spare blades in the handle! That will slice like a razor (gee, I wonder why) for a long time before I use up each end of 11 blades.
Zip ties? Um, I'll take my wire snips, thank you. They'll cut through more zip ties than your __________ pocket knife will.

Sorry for the rant, but after having my Buck 503 "epiphany" the other day, it was never more clear; knives are for cutting. Not chopping down trees, cutting romex wire, stabbing through drywall, etc.
 
375dave said:
Yes it does, I always liked that I could see what my work created, a hole dug, a pile moved. I did the 3 days in the spring a time or two. The worst for me was an old chicken barn.
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That IS the worst. Especially in the hot humid summer, your eye's would actually burn. It was like tear gas... I got my revenge in the fall when I put my 110 to use for the supper table and freezer...
 
sharkattacksw said:
This is exactly right. Just look at how often guys ask about "hard use folders" or say that they are hard on knives and need a heavy duty blade "for work purposes" (which a lot of time involves cutting cardboard, zip ties and plastic straps). The Spyderco PM2 is a wildly popular knife, for good reason. It's got a strong lock and the blade is a really good slicer. But when guys break the tips off or damage the edges (some of which are so thin; of course they're going to get damaged chopping on a thick zip tie or strap), they complain that the knife is weak.

If we are going to have a cardboard slicing competition, I'll take my Stanley razor knife with 10 spare blades in the handle! That will slice like a razor (gee, I wonder why) for a long time before I use up each end of 11 blades.
Zip ties? Um, I'll take my wire snips, thank you. They'll cut through more zip ties than your __________ pocket knife will.

Sorry for the rant, but after having my Buck 503 "epiphany" the other day, it was never more clear; knives are for cutting. Not chopping down trees, cutting romex wire, stabbing through drywall, etc.
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I worked 7 years in a corrugated paper factory. Shark is right, the fastest way to dull a knife is either stick it in the ground or cut paper with it. I love it when somebody tries to show how sharp their knife is by cutting paper. The Stanley will work until you run out of blades, which won't take as long as you think. The best knives we found is the broken automatic hacksaw blades we got from the maintenance shop. We'd sharpen them and put a makeshift handle on them, those would cut 3-4" deep on 30lb paper. It came in a 4,000 ft roll. They would last about 4hrs of doing that before you had to resharpen them...

It's too bad that kid didn't get introduced to the professional medical field when he broke that 119. Sometimes that's what it takes for some people...

Don
 
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