I have decided to Test a $350 Plus STRIDER

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Valle said:
I did not say it in bad faith, it is just that I did not remember the exact details so well. And I did not say it was a one sided attack, I said that a lot of Busse fans were against the knife owner, and that some accused the man of lying. What stuck to my mind was Busse´s way of handling it, he was on the guy´s side from the start.
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and that is all that really matters. HI has the same warranty and they back it up. When the manufacturer believes in their knife enough to offer this kind of warranty, then it inspires confidence in the product.

However, it is good that the guy did do that. I'd like to know about how far something can go.
In fact, I would have guessed that it would have bent before breaking, but I wasn't there and did not see it. At least with NOSS we will all get to see what he does for better or worse.

I for one would not mind seeing him test a Busse or any other knife. At least we see the video of it and can pass judgement ourselves over the product.

Noss, just make sure you wear gloves and glasses when you test that S30V blade (or any other blade for that matter). Because when it goes it may decide to go in several directions, you being one of them
 
anythingsharp said:
I had 3 used Busses,PD,SJ and a killerb,tried to sharpen them all with hrs of diamond file,sandpaper and strop,couldn`t get a decent edge.
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So, you say that you have no use for this type of knife, that you never used those knives that you'd had, and now put forward your own inability to sharpen them as a point of warning for other buyers?

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting that your sharpening skills may be lacking--but in the face of a great many people here who seem to have no difficulty whatsoever in sharpening them, I'm confused as to how this applies to Busse or INFI, or any other steel used in knives, for that matter. There is no such thing as a type of steel that gets sharper than another. Sharpness comes down to edge geometry and what grit that edge is polished to. If I take a piece of 3V steel and a piece of brass barstock and sharpen them both to the same geometry and grit, they will be equally sharp. Hell, I can profile a piece of wood down to an edge that will pop hair off your arm, it'd just be on the fragile side.

So, the fact that you couldn't get an edge on your knives comes to one of two things:
1) Your sharpening skills were not adequate to the task--and if this is the case, you be sure to tell us how your first sharpening attempt on 3V goes, assuming you ever dull one of those knives on that monster celery.

2) INFI proved totally immune to your diamond file and sandpaper, thereby attributing such abrasion resistance to it along with its toughness for it to be inarguably proven to fullfill the criteria you mentioned earlier; namely proof that it is superior in all regards to all other hard use steels because it is just absolutely indestructible.

Well, I have no trouble believing the first--many people are more secure blaming a tool than accepting that their problems could arise from a lack of skill on their part. As to the second--well, I have personally modified/reprofiled a great many knives made out of INFI, D2, L6 and 3V (only two in that last case) and a host of other steels to better suit my needs, and sharpened them when they've required it. While none in that list are what I would call easy to work with, there's not a one of them that can't be gotten extremely sharp inside of about ten minutes if you know what you're doing, and in far less than that if you're not changing the edge bevel.
 
Can you sharpen a Pakistani knife for 2.99% to razor sharpness?Never,because it`s too soft to hold an edge,the edge will always bent and develop a micro-burr.For some reason choppers like Busse Basic#9 and Paul`s hatchet had razor factory edges that were ground pretty thin,but cutters like AS,PD and Killer B had thickest edges imaginable which needed power tools to regrind,so I gave up after spending a day trying to do it by hand with a diamond file/sandpaper/strop.I`ve sharpened 1000`s of knives and found nothing in INFI that would even approach D2 at 59RC.Good indication of a hard steel is the ease of getting a razor edge,while soft steel is impossible to sharpen to razor edge.
 
anythingsharp said:
I don`t like their designs except for the old SH line,these were good.Also,epoxy coat screams "CHEAP",it`s used to coat office furniture,gym equipment and Busse marketed it like varnish on a million$$ Stradivari violin.If you charge big$$,use DLC for Christsake!They trained their fans to obsess over minute inperfections in the epoxy , someone would weep every day on BF:I got a Badger with a speck of epoxy missing 2/96" of an inch away from the edge,so I`m selling it for 50.00 under retail.....
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STFU already. So you can't afford a Busse, let it go at that. Geesh.
 
Thanks for helping prove my point.
Hopefully there is someone out there to stick up for you someday.


Liam


rjd said:
Is your definition of being civil calling a well respected knife maker a liar, cheat and snake-oil salesman?

I think the troll is smart enough to stick up for himself and doesn't need someone who doesn't know the difference between "weather" and "whether" to come to his rescue. :jerkit:

rjd
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OMG, are you STILL here yapping about how much you dislike Busse, INFI, and the business practices of the company, the 'secrets', the steel 'soft enough to roll from kydex, yet too hard to be sharpened from even a diamond file? How it suxx compared to D2? How it suxx compared to ANYTHING. How you know it ALL, and how determined you are to MAKE US BELIEVE YOU. WHERE'S the PROOF? Oh, and HEY... DO I OWE YOU TWENTY BUCKS YET??? Where's BILL SIEGLE to help us answer THAT question. It's a free country, but don't take advantage of your stupidity to talk s***.

You have my attention now. I'll cover HALF of the COST of 1 BUSSE KNIFE to test to DEATH, if YOU come up with the other HALF, AS LONG AS ONE REP FROM BUSSE AND ONE "DISINTERESTED" THIRD-PARTY WITNESS is there to see it all and judge based on the data provided from the FAIRLY EXECUTED tests on the KNIFE. THERE. PUT UP OR SHUT UP. 'BLADE' in JUNE sounds like a good place for this, out in the parking lot. NOW... WHAT'S IT GONNA BE??? :eek: :eek: GAUNTLET time. No EXCUSES, NO REGRETS.
Jaxx:cool:
 
I will be the disinterested third party, I care less about Busse now then I ever did.
Apparenty they make you a fanatical lunatic. :D
 
You won`t get a penny from me for anything.There was one Busse I liked,SHSH in A2.I like the deisgn and the steel,it would be a good knife at 200.00$.As for INFI,IMHO it could be anything from 420J2 to the element 115,I choose to think that it doesn`t exist and I wouldn`t pay a red cent for it because a red cent is something that exists(especially the old copper ones that are now worth 1.2 cents in copper scrap).
 
What a stupid thread.

The problem isn't that this waste of oxygen wants to test a knife, it's that he wants to try and swindle Strider and their warranty.

You accidently or actually break a Strider while "actually" using it, they WILL replace it. I don't see a reason they should replace one that your sole purpose of owning is to break it as quick as possible.

Then the Infi-cultists come out and start the old fight again... sigh... the easiest way to stop a troll is to stop feeding them.
 
anythingsharp said:
You won`t get a penny from me for anything.There was one Busse I liked,SHSH in A2.I like the deisgn and the steel,it would be a good knife at 200.00$.As for INFI,IMHO it could be anything from 420J2 to the element 115,I choose to think that it doesn`t exist and I wouldn`t pay a red cent for it because a red cent is something that exists(especially the old copper ones that are now worth 1.2 cents in copper scrap).
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...Ok, so what I'm hearing is that:
a.) you don't want to test the knife to prove what would be a mindblowing piece of news to the knife community if you were to actually be right, because even though I'm willing to meet you halfway, you can't bring yourself to come up with the other half despite the challenging talk set forth here.
b.) Because of (a.) you must really just want to rile up the masses and spew s***
c.) you probably don't really know what you're talking about.
d.) your opinion is way off humble, arrogant would be closer.

Ok, whatever.

It would be easy and cheap to split the cost and really get into testing the steel, I'm interested enough to put up half, but if you are just a troll, and not actually into true data and real test results, then I've now lost interest in anything else that you have to say on this subject. Thanks for wasting my time. I guess that it takes all kinds... :rolleyes: No point continuing on this discussion. Enjoy the ranting, folks! JMHO, YMMV
Jaxx
 
Jaxx said:
if you are just a troll, and not actually into true data and real test results, then I've now lost interest in anything else that you have to say on this subject. No point continuing on this discussion.
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Agreed. Everyone will continue to have their opinions and a troll won't entertain rational ideas and logic. I made the mistake of feeding him, but won't any further. There is plenty of evidence out there already for people to decide for themselves. :thumbup:

*officially abandoning this discussion*
 
NervousXtian said:
What a stupid thread.

The problem isn't that this waste of oxygen wants to test a knife, it's that he wants to try and swindle Strider and their warranty.

You accidently or actually break a Strider while "actually" using it, they WILL replace it. I don't see a reason they should replace one that your sole purpose of owning is to break it as quick as possible.

Then the Infi-cultists come out and start the old fight again... sigh... the easiest way to stop a troll is to stop feeding them.
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Read the info on the strider website about their warranty.

The reason they should honour the warranty is that it appears that they offer it.

If they didn't want to honour, then they would not offer it.

The warranty don't say nothing about no accident, nothing about reasonable use or not abusing their blades. Just says they will make it a functional knife again if you break it (or repalce it if they can;t make it functional again), but you might have to pay if you want the original paint job back.

It's not like a knife manufacturer doesn't know the sort of abuse their knives might get, so you gotta figure they expected to get some outright abuse of their knives when they wrote their warranty policy. That their policy does not discount "abuse" when they know or should know that it will occur is reason enough that they should honour it.

Personally I would not claim warranty on a knife that I set out to break, but then again, I would not offer an unqualified or ambiguous warrnaty unless I meant to keep it and honourit's widest interpretation.
 
anythingsharp said:
I choose to think that it doesn`t exist and I wouldn`t pay a red cent for it because a red cent is something that exists
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You choose to present alot of OPINIONS and un-backed RUMORS...and spout them off like they were the ten commandments.
 
Since when were we talking about edge holding? You just said you couldn't get an edge in the first place--edge holding would involve an observation of the knife's continued cutting ability during use, and since you already said you never used those knives, we're right back to the question of your experiential competence to speak on this matter. As to removing a wire edge, there are many threads here you can find with input from some of the top people in the knife industry (maybe your secret handshake soulmates from Blade Show are among them! :D) on how to remove them; I assure you it's not difficult, and would be well worth your time to learn how to do.

But anyway, stay and sing your song if you wish--for awhile I got some enjoyment from compiling the inconsistencies, inaccuracies, and self-contradictions within your statements here, but the sheer ease of the banter is beginning make me feel something of a bully, like I'm poking a quadriplegic puppy with a stick. I mean sure, the little squeaks and impotent snarls it makes are somewhat amusing, but what am I really proving?

Feel better
 
Liam Ryan said:
I will be the disinterested third party, I care less about Busse now then I ever did.
Apparenty they make you a fanatical lunatic. :D
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Gee, Liam, I own Busse knives. That makes me "a fanatical lunatic"?

Don't I even get to express an opinion about them before the label applies?

Guess not. :(

Well, I'm a Scot, and we're notably daft. :D

For me, the notion that it is somehow improper for the market to set a price seems fairly senseless. The free market system works that way, does it not?. And if your lad, ATS, finds the market price too high, why is that a basis for him to attack the integrity of the maker? However that attack is launched, accusing someone of dishonestly when that someone has supporters in a place is likely to lead to a brawl, yes?

In fact, the most expensive Busse I own - a Satin Jack - cost $230. I bought it directly from Busse. The others came from Busse or the forum exchange. I didn't think of them as cheap, but bought them none-the-less. (I confess that I liked them better when I thinned the edges. Took time with diamond tools, but they seem to hold an edge quite well.)

Also, ATS, in accounting and economics, it is appropriate to "load" incremental costs of production (e.g. wages, costs of heat-treating) by allocating sunk costs (e.g. the cost of machinery or other capital investment) or costs that cannot be directly tied to production (e,g, rent, debt service, insurance premiums, heat) to the incremental costs. Until one has examined the costs of production in detail, speculation is only that, no matter how it supports an argument one makes.

ATS, you got me on sharpening "1000's" of knives. I suspect I have only done 100's, but I like to think I could spot the difference between 440C (or 440A as "famous," "angry" people say) and 1095. Therefore, if a "famous" person told me that "INFI" was either a 440 series steel or 1095, I would be disinclined to cite that person as an authority, however "famous." Of course, if I had sharpened 1000's of knives but somehow had never picked up the difference between 440 series and 10xx series, I might accept the gossip.

To the "brand names" for steel listed in Post 329, the forumites could add dozens more, such as "Schrade+," "Buckmaster," "Surgical Steel," "Solengen Steel." Mystery has always been just another part of marketing, and everyone markets. Messrs. Greco, and Siegel have websites last I looked. That's where I found the knives they made and I bought. Website=marketing.

I too have truly wondered about ATS 34 or 30SV for a "hard use" knife and look forward to the results of those portions of the promised tests that seem to bear some relationship to what I think of as "hard use."

And Liam, we Celts do know how to try to defend an indefensible position.:thumbup:
 
I love the fact that I'm a cultist when I defend something I feel is worthwhile, when it is attacked with lies, lack of facts and the mentality that most outgrow in the first 5 years after their first breath.
If you don't care for Busse products, fine. But denounce them falsely or with a lack of evidence, you'll get called on it.
As far as breaking a Strider, go for it. I'm not a Strider fan, but, I do respect that they supply to those who want what they can offer.
Somebody test something to put the wannabes to sleep at night, please. Either that or give them some kool-aid. Christ, I usually keep my ego in check, but the gall of people who have taken for granted that me and mine have risked and given life and limb for the freedom of their cranial diahrea. At the end of the day, come show me what you did with your blades. I'll take the time to fix you some INFI kool-aid and give you some Dennis Leary therapy (STFU Bitch), then I'll go back to doing more than you with a better blade than yours.
 
Liam Ryan said:
I will be the disinterested third party, I care less about Busse now then I ever did.
Apparenty they make you a fanatical lunatic. :D
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WATCH OUT! I'M A FANATICAL LUNATIC!:D :thumbup: :D :thumbup:
(I own a Busse knife. And a Strider knife)
 
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