I have decided to Test a $350 Plus STRIDER

[fireballxl5]

Hmm.. funny.. the same Strider site also says:

That's true, which is why I stated the warranty is ambiguous.

However in conjunction with the other 3 or 4 lines in that quote (i.e. in context)

In fact I will again quote the entire text of that UNOFFICAL FAQ reply since that might make the context a little clearer

http://www.badlandsforums.com/faq/WhatisStridersWarranty.shtml :
"What is Strider’s warranty?
Per Mick Strider:

If you break it, I'll be impressed. If I can’t fix it, I will replace it.
We'll fix anything, but we won't fix anything for free.
We Guarantee that your knife will perform. We don’t guarantee that it wont get wear marks from use.
Function and Sharpness are free, like new frills cost."

I would suggest that it would not be unreasonable to interpret that series of statements as something like:

We will fix any knife to functional standards (ie can cut and pry again), but we won't necessarily make it look shiny (or camo) and new from an aesthetic point of view. And we will repalce what we can't fix to be functional again.

I also note that that statement is from the UNOFFICAL FAQ - funnily enough the UNOFFCIAL FAQ is published on the offical website - which seems a might confusing to me.

If you however click on the "Knives" link (which takes you here: http://www.striderknives.com/html/main.html), you see a little light brown box on the bottom edge of the photo of the guy grinding (at least taht is how it appears in my browser) that says:

"All Strider Knives carry an unconditional, lifetime guarantee.
In addition, our knives will be resharpened, refinished and rewrapped, as often as needed at no cost to you other than postage."

Note the word "unconditional".

Unfortunately there is not as far as I can see an unambiguously stated warranty policy on the site.

It seems perfectly reasonable to me not to warranty knives that have been intentionally abused - but not if you state otherwise in your statements on warranty.

So again why should the company respect he warranty of a knife that has been intentionally abused - because they say they will when they say "unconditional, lifetime guarantee" on their website.

If they don't want to carry that burden all they need do is modify their warranty statement. Eg the more usual "lifetime guarantee against defects in materials and workmanship" or some such.

 

[Nimick]

I dont own any busses or striders, does that mean I have to change my sig then?

 

[Jos]

anythingsharp,

If you ever spent any time at the Busse forum, you would know that there is an unwritten rule about talking shit about other knife companies (It is not tolerated). Why don't you show the same respect?

These are the wisest words in this thread!

 

[Jos]

I dont own any busses or striders, does that mean I have to change my sig then?

Or you can buy a Busse knife...

 

[fireballxl5]

(I own a Busse knife. And a Strider knife)

I guess that makes you a conflicted fanatic!

 

[Nimick]

Or you can buy a Busse knife...

alas, availability and money in bank account never seem to coincide. guess I'll change it.

 

[truthseeker]

I'm confessing to the lunatic part. I used a knife to do the job of a chainsaw and now my elbow hurts.

Well, now that I think about it, the success of that little stunt has pushed me over the line into the realm of fanatical as well.

Crap, I AM a fanatical lunatic.

So where did noss go, anyway? I might buy a Strider if I could ever see how much abuse they can stand... Somewhere along the line, everythingdull screwed up the focus of this whole thread.:grumpy:

 

[Cobalt]

So where did noss go, anyway? I might buy a Strider if I could ever see how much abuse they can stand... Somewhere along the line, everythingdull screwed up the focus of this whole thread.:grumpy:

and that was his intent. He did nothing but stir the pot and change the direction of this thread.

Cool thing is that you see who his backers are because they come out of the woodwork as well.

It looked to me like anything sharp was just saying he doesnt think infi is anything special, and a lot of people bought into the hype.
Lots of people got hot and bothered and then the personal attacks started,
much like many heaped upon noss.
I read every post here and couldnt help but be reminded of high school all over again, actually more like junior high.
You guys can call him a troll and threaten to "tattle" or do whatever but
I saw very few who were responding cordially, in a manner I expected from this forum. Weather he knows what hes saying or not, he was at least civil until everyone started attacking him.
Just my .02, but looks like you guys already got his lunch money.

my response

Wait a minute. There is a discussion on whether Noss should test a strider and someone comes into the thread and attacks Busse knives (thereby changing the subject of the thread entirely) and you only see people attacking him. you gotta be kidding me right?

I hope the law doesn't see things the way you do where you live, cuz there will be many good people n jail.

If you read through all the responses, you will notice more than enough evidence to proove everyone of his allegations as a lie, yet he does not even read one.

I will be the disinterested third party, I care less about Busse now then I ever did.
Apparenty they make you a fanatical lunatic.

some how I think you are anything but disinterested. Your original post shows this and how your view of things is skewed. How can you possibly see that he was just having a normal discussion when he is the one that changed the direction of this thread entirely.

Maybe we should have a thread about individuals who join and maintain a low post count over a year and then stir the pot. They contribute nothing to this forum and serve only to cause trouble as if they had planned to.

 

[Liam Ryan]

the topic got redirected, oh, about 10 pages ago, so don't think you are innocent of helping out with that a bit.
Now I am getting attacked for asking for a little civility. I am not defending anythingsharps opinions, only the fact that it is getting more then a little heated here.
I have never even seen his name before this thread, and call me crazy but I have always hated bullying and stand up to it when I can.

 

[Liam Ryan]

Gee, Liam, I own Busse knives. That makes me "a fanatical lunatic"?

Don't I even get to express an opinion about them before the label applies?

Guess not.

Well, I'm a Scot, and we're notably daft.

........



And Liam, we Celts do know how to try to defend an indefensible position.:thumbup:

HA ha, Well Mr. Linton I do know about the celts, I am from Cape Breton, Nova Scotia, and have more then a little scottish blood.
I hope you realize the fanatical lunatic comment was tongue in cheek, I am not famaliar with them but any group that defends Busse knives so vehemently must have something good on their hands.
And sorry if I hurt anyones feelings coming from the woodwork here, but I am here to learn things about knives, not some new flame war insults, we are all grown ups here, aren't we?

Liam

 

[Cobalt]

the topic got redirected, oh, about 10 pages ago, so don't think you are innocent of helping out with that a bit.
Now I am getting attacked for asking for a little civility. I am not defending anythingsharps opinions, only the fact that it is getting more then a little heated here.
I have never even seen his name before this thread, and call me crazy but I have always hated bullying and stand up to it when I can.

No problem with civility here, and I am not attacking you. However, it is one thing to ask civility and it is an entirely different thing to come in and support someone who is just bashing another a maker with NO SUBSTANTIATION. If you read my responses and a few others initially, they showed him how much more Busse knives are tested than any other knife around, period. Yet, he comletely ignores this and continues with absolute lies. And you support this. First he states that the knife dulled easily and then he states that he his sharpening materials could not wear into the edge to sharpen it?

First he states that he has never used a Busse, then he states he owned 10 of them and then later he states that he uses his knives and doesn't just collect them. Did you read all that? Did you read when he stated he would take his business to an honest knifemaker, hint, hint, calling Busse a liar. He then goes onto call Busse a snakeoil dealer, but that is all ok with you because people came to Busse's defense?

Well, I think it is in poor form to attack a knifemaker who goes out of his way to make things right for people. Anyone that has ever dealt with Busse personally knows that he will do whatever it takes to make things right if someone is unhappy. This guy also knows that Busse is not likely to come in here and fight because it just looks bad. But that is all ok with you. I responded because, like you, I felt that he was being a bully and HE DID CHANGE THE SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD ENTIRELY, make no mistake about it.

The reason why you have never seen him post before is because he only posts in the Sale Forums, he's more of a dealer than a member. and there should be a rule that if you post in the sale forum 75% or more, your a dealer and you will be charged. You do not contribute to this forum at all but spend 98% of your time dealing knives here.

I understand your intentions were good, but IMO they were misdirected.

 

[Cougar Allen]

Maybe we should have a thread about individuals who join and maintain a low post count over a year and then stir the pot. They contribute nothing to this forum and serve only to cause trouble as if they had planned to.

Whoa! I don't suppose Cobalt meant that at all seriously, but for the benefit of anyone else who joined a while back and hasn't posted much, no we are not prejudiced against you. If you feel moved to post go right ahead; as long as you don't act like an idiot no one will assume you're an idiot.

 

[Cobalt]

Whoa! I don't suppose Cobalt meant that at all seriously, but for the benefit of anyone else who joined a while back and hasn't posted much, no we are not prejudiced against you. If you feel moved to post go right ahead; as long as you don't act like an idiot no one will assume you're an idiot.

LOL, no, I meant it figuratively. I just get irate when I see people who never post and just sell stuff and then all of a sudden decide to go on an attack and have never been involved in any forum discussions or contributed at all.

I agree, feel free to contribute, just don't make your only contribution a slap in the face.

 

[Broos]

First Striders, then Busse, now us low post count guys being attacked!!! Time to requote the best post in the thread, somehow still appropriate.

happy peanuts soar over chocolate covered mountain tops, and waterfalls of caramel. prancing nougat in the meadow sings a song of satisfaction to the world.

 

[Cobalt]

First Striders, then Busse, now us low post count guys being attacked!!! Time to requote the best post in the thread, somehow still appropriate.

That's it Broos, anyone with a post count of under 300 can't post anywhere.
so stop while your behind

 

[mymindisamob]

That's it Broos, anyone with a post count of under 300 can't post anywhere.
so stop while your behind

Gives a whole new meaning to "Poster Child".

 

[Lil' Foo]

OK… I can’t sit idly by any longer. Proprietary steel or proprietary anything is an inherent part of any competitive market… companies look for their differentiator to take or maintain their leadership position in the market place. Since we’re here to talk knives… I really could care less if the blade is made from mud and wood pulp… or if it has applications outside the knife industry… the ultimate question is DOES IT DO THE JOB IT WAS DESIGNED FOR AND INTENDED FOR? Now, we all want the “one” that does it BEST. So… who cares if it’s made of A2, INFI, Carbon V, or paper mache… IS IT THE BEST AT WHAT IT’S SUPPOSED TO DO?

As far as advice from those out there willing to give it (and there are a lot of advice givers, both informed and uninformed out there)… This vetted advice is good for a start, but in the end you have to make your own decision. Get it, use it, test it… and form your own opinion. Personally, I would not listen to the opinion of someone that has never used a hard use knife for anything other than kitchen duty… forgive me, but I don’t believe that Striders or Busses were designed for kitchen duties (however, I’m sure they both would handle them just fine).

The bottom line is this… take what you read with a grain of salt… do your own homework, weed the good from the bad, make a decision, get and use the knife, and form your own opinion.

And finally… I usually refrain from bashing (except in a playful manner), but here I can’t resist. Can I nominate AnythingSharp for a name change… maybe AnythingBUTsharp… or Not2Sharp. Based on what I have read here… either of these would be much more fitting for this character.

 

[Thomas Linton]

Uhhh . . . Not2Sharp is taken.

"But" or "butt"?

 

[punisher_nbi45]

OK… I can’t sit idly by any longer. Proprietary steel or proprietary anything is an inherent part of any competitive market… companies look for their differentiator to take or maintain their leadership position in the market place. Since we’re here to talk knives… I really could care less if the blade is made from mud and wood pulp… or if it has applications outside the knife industry… the ultimate question is DOES IT DO THE JOB IT WAS DESIGNED FOR AND INTENDED FOR? Now, we all want the “one” that does it BEST. So… who cares if it’s made of A2, INFI, Carbon V, or paper mache… IS IT THE BEST AT WHAT IT’S SUPPOSED TO DO?

As far as advice from those out there willing to give it (and there are a lot of advice givers, both informed and uninformed out there)… This vetted advice is good for a start, but in the end you have to make your own decision. Get it, use it, test it… and form your own opinion. Personally, I would not listen to the opinion of someone that has never used a hard use knife for anything other than kitchen duty… forgive me, but I don’t believe that Striders or Busses were designed for kitchen duties (however, I’m sure they both would handle them just fine).

The bottom line is this… take what you read with a grain of salt… do your own homework, weed the good from the bad, make a decision, get and use the knife, and form your own opinion.

I agree with Lil' Foo, ultimately, we have to make our own decisions which pieces of equipment would best suit us for the jobs we intend to use them. In the end, we are the best judges for what we use.

Although I am not averse to testing a knife to failure, or even abusing a knife to see if it would hypothetically stand up to real-world abuse, this thread has lost its way because a lot of emotions have been placed in the fire pit and flamed up to HELL! I firmly believe that this WAS the intention of Noss4, and have to admit that he did a good job of it. Not only that, some people here have chimed in with their opinions that are really not the topic of the discussion, much less relevant to it.

I'm a Strider fan, but I also give respect to the knives of other makers, especially those that can inspire such a loyal following such as Busse / Swamprat, Ontario, etc. I believe that all knives have a place in the knife world, and it is this diversity which makes collecting/using knives such an interesting and worthwhile endeavor. That said, it just pains me that some people take the time to diss a particular maker/manufacturer without at least owning one of their knives and using them for a considerable amount of time, and I'm talking about real-world use here. And that the dissing part comes with insinuations and innuendos that really have nothing to do with the knife, its performance, or ability to stand up to real world usage.

So again, I just want to emphasize that the real value of a knife will lie in the user and his personal judgment based on what he will use it for. If a particular knife doesn't seem well suited to another person, then that is just the way it is. But just because it doesn't suit you doesn't necessarily make it right to comment on that particular manufacturer/maker. We might not give them a chance, but I don't think it's right to put them down or the people who support them just because they've had good experiences with them.

HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL!!!

 

[Liam Ryan]

First he states that he has never used a Busse, then he states he owned 10 of them and then later he states that he uses his knives and doesn't just collect them. Did you read all that? Did you read when he stated he would take his business to an honest knifemaker, hint, hint, calling Busse a liar. He then goes onto call Busse a snakeoil dealer, but that is all ok with you because people came to Busse's defense?

I see your point as well, do not get me wrong, but it looked to me like a bit of overkill on the part of the Busse fans. If a thread goes off topic, why not get it back on topic?
He feels quite strongly that INFI is a marketing ploy. Is he right? I am not entirely convinced, and maybe someday I will judge for myself.
But I really do not care to get into that particular argument. I was just reminded of some of the, shall we say, less mature forums I was involved in before I stumbled upon the wonderful site we have here.
Maybe I am wrong, and this really is the only way to deal with this particular character.

Anyway, lets get this back on topic, finally.
I think Noss' silence indicates he is deep in the bowels of his shop
exerting much energy to destroy a Strider. After all this hype is there any way you won't watch the video? I am compelled to imagine Noss is on contract from strider, and Busse is contacting him now with a six figure deal to be next on the list.