I have decided to Test a $350 Plus STRIDER

[Liam Ryan]

It looked to me like anything sharp was just saying he doesnt think infi is anything special, and a lot of people bought into the hype.
Lots of people got hot and bothered and then the personal attacks started,
much like many heaped upon noss.
I read every post here and couldnt help but be reminded of high school all over again, actually more like junior high.
You guys can call him a troll and threaten to "tattle" or do whatever but
I saw very few who were responding cordially, in a manner I expected from this forum. Weather he knows what hes saying or not, he was at least civil until everyone started attacking him.
Just my .02, but looks like you guys already got his lunch money.

 

[truthseeker]

One test I did with my Busses though,unsheathing them and putting them back into the kydex-inserted sheath.Doing this only once would ruin the razor edge and made the edge visible,thus making evident that the edge bent from being lightly dragged across the kydex insert.It was very tiresome to strop them every time after unsheathing.This happened a lot with my SJ that I ended up trading to Cobalt for a Hankins 3V blade.Was that a defective HT?Maybe,but I would let more experienced knifenuts guess the hardness of such a blade,the kydex didn`t have cuts from inserting,it was literally by just scraping across it.

Did everyone miss that?!?!?

anythingdull, here is what I have to say to you about that.

That is the BIGGEST load of crap I've heard in a very long time. Two days ago I literally chopped down an oak tree 8 inches in diameter with my BRAND NEW FBM. I unpacked it, shaved some hair with it just to see if it would, and went straight outside to chop away at something. I've been meaning to cut down this particular tree for some time, and decided it would make a good "trial by fire" for the first chopper-type Busse I've owned. FYI, this FBM is pretty much the cheapest one you can buy; grey coating, standard micarta handles, etc. I believe it cost me $405 shipped (not $800).

Anyway, I chopped through 6 or so inches of that 8 inch diameter tree before it started to fall. Let me tell you, that was a LOT of chopping to do with a knife, and I probably won't do it again. The moral of the story is that when I finished, the knife STILL SHAVED HAIR OFF MY ARM. No chipping, rolling, dulling, or anything. The coating really didn't even wear that much; there's not even metal showing.

So, that's my little testimonial to the quality of Busse knives and the quality of INFI steel, regardless of what it's actually made of.


One more thing. I happen to do PMI work for a living. PMI stands for Positive Materials Identification. I use XRF and OES machines to test the chemical composition of metals. If I wanted to know EXACTLY what INFI was made of, it would take me less than a minute to find out. The point is, I don't care. That tree in the back yard tells the whole story.

Wake up. Go away. Quit spouting mindless drivel. It takes a special kind of person to inspire me to chime in and type this much.

 

[Cobalt]

It looked to me like anything sharp was just saying he doesnt think infi is anything special, and a lot of people bought into the hype.
Lots of people got hot and bothered and then the personal attacks started,
much like many heaped upon noss.
I read every post here and couldnt help but be reminded of high school all over again, actually more like junior high.
You guys can call him a troll and threaten to "tattle" or do whatever but
I saw very few who were responding cordially, in a manner I expected from this forum. Weather he knows what hes saying or not, he was at least civil until everyone started attacking him.
Just my .02, but looks like you guys already got his lunch money.

Wait a minute. There is a discussion on whether Noss should test a strider and someone comes into the thread and attacks Busse knives (thereby changing the subject of the thread entirely) and you only see people attacking him. you gotta be kidding me right?

I hope the law doesn't see things the way you do where you live, cuz there will be many good people n jail.

If you read through all the responses, you will notice more than enough evidence to proove everyone of his allegations as a lie, yet he does not even read one.

 

[Rat-30]

Here's a couple good reviews that Cobalt recently dug up...

Noone except Busse knows what INFI is for sure.All I want is an independent test(preferably many tests) of extreme abuse of a Busse knife and a similar knives made from KNOWN steels and published results.That`s all.No,one more thing,no powder coat.Please?PS>I didn`t use them because I didn`t want to disturb the perfect epoxy and end up homeless.

Did everyone miss that?!?!?

anythingdull, here is what I have to say to you about that.

That is the BIGGEST load of crap I've heard in a very long time. Two days ago I literally chopped down an oak tree 8 inches in diameter with my BRAND NEW FBM. I unpacked it, shaved some hair with it just to see if it would, and went straight outside to chop away at something. I've been meaning to cut down this particular tree for some time, and decided it would make a good "trial by fire" for the first chopper-type Busse I've owned. FYI, this FBM is pretty much the cheapest one you can buy; grey coating, standard micarta handles, etc. I believe it cost me $405 shipped (not $800).

Anyway, I chopped through 6 or so inches of that 8 inch diameter tree before it started to fall. Let me tell you, that was a LOT of chopping to do with a knife, and I probably won't do it again. The moral of the story is that when I finished, the knife STILL SHAVED HAIR OFF MY ARM. No chipping, rolling, dulling, or anything. The coating really didn't even wear that much; there's not even metal showing.

So, that's my little testimonial to the quality of Busse knives and the quality of INFI steel, regardless of what it's actually made of.


One more thing. I happen to do PMI work for a living. PMI stands for Positive Materials Identification. I use XRF and OES machines to test the chemical composition of metals. If I wanted to know EXACTLY what INFI was made of, it would take me less than a minute to find out. The point is, I don't care. That tree in the back yard tells the whole story.

Wake up. Go away. Quit spouting mindless drivel. It takes a special kind of person to inspire me to chime in and type this much.

I'll feed the troll once -

anythingsharp, you are a moron.

People have tried to help you by providing first-hand testimonials about Busse knives, and all you can respond with is:

1. Disregard for their honest feedback, and
2. Statements continuing to whine about a manufacturer not coming to you and telling you what his steel is made of - or redirecting the dialog when you are found false.

Who cares?

+1 on my post count... Thanks! :thumbup:

 

[Keith Montgomery]

After reading this thread the only conclusion I have come to is that anythingsharp doesn't have a clue.

 

[rjd]

Weather he knows what hes saying or not, he was at least civil until everyone started attacking him.
Just my .02, but looks like you guys already got his lunch money.

Is your definition of being civil calling a well respected knife maker a liar, cheat and snake-oil salesman?

I think the troll is smart enough to stick up for himself and doesn't need someone who doesn't know the difference between "weather" and "whether" to come to his rescue. :jerkit:

rjd

 

[Cobalt]

After doing a litte more researth, it is obvious that ANYTHINGSHARP spends 98% of his time buying and selling and this is the only serious meaningfull discussion he has had in our knifecommunity. Please take pitty on him as he has no people skills to speak of due to his non-contributing manner on these forums.:foot:

Some would call tis Trollish, but I chalk it up to just a lack of cumunication skills.

 

[anythingsharp]

I had about 10 Busses and you never used any of them. :foot:





Funny, I never considered Busse's fighting knives, just hard use tools. So I guess you must be the mall ninja. :jerkit: Again, this is nothing but a trollish statement and adds nothing to your argument.

Busse AS was sold as SD knife with testimony of a cop using it to stab thru the hand of an attacer who grabbed his gun.This is a feat of strength considering that AS has no guard,a 3finger grip and the edge of a butter knife.I had 3 used Busses,PD,SJ and a killerb,tried to sharpen them all with hrs of diamond file,sandpaper and strop,couldn`t get a decent edge.My advice to Busse investors,continue slaying monsters with Busse AS and send reports of my dissident and borderline-treasonous views on INFI to Homeland Security.

 

[Valle]

I don´t own a Busse. I think they are too expensive, I´ve got a custom 5160 Chopper which I love, it was made to my specs, and it costed me less than a basic BM.

Once I saw a thread around here where a guy had broken a Busse knife. I did not find that thread with a quick search, so bear with me. Anyway, this guy had the thinnest, smallest, least expensive INFI Busse knife. He told how he hammered the knife into a concrete floor until only the handle was sticking out. He then kicked the handle until the knife broke in half. Needlessly to say, a lot of Busse fans piled on him, saying that what he had done was mindless abuse plain and simple. Some acused him of faking the whole thing. The pile continued on until Mr. Busse showed up in the thread. Instead of telling the guy to lick his sack, Busse seemed amused by the situation. He told the guy to send the knife in, and that he would receive a brand new one, with a proverbial pat on the back.

I liked that.

 

[aaronjayl]

Busse AS was sold as SD knife with testimony of a cop using it to stab thru the hand of an attacer who grabbed his gun.This is a fit of strength considering that AS has no guard,a 3finger grip and the edge of a butter knife.I had 3 used Busses,PD,SJ and a killerb,tried to sharpen them all with hrs of diamond file,sandpaper and strop,couldn`t get a decent edge.My advice to Busse investors,continue slaying monsters with Busse AS and send reports of my dissident and borderline-treasonous views on INFI to Homeland Security.

Thats odd because my AS shaves hair no problem

I don´t own a Busse. I think they are too expensive, I´ve got a custom 5160 Chopper which I love, it was made to my specs, and it costed me less than a basic BM.

Once I saw a thread around here where a guy had broken a Busse knife. I did not find that thread with a quick search, so bear with me. Anyway, this guy had the thinnest, smallest, least expensive INFI Busse knife. He told how he hammered the knife into a concrete floor until only the handle was sticking out. He then kicked the handle until the knife broke in half. Needlessly to say, a lot of Busse fans piled on him, saying that what he had done was mindless abuse plain and simple. Some acused him of faking the whole thing. The pile continued on until Mr. Busse showed up in the thread. Instead of telling the guy to lick his sack, Busse seemed amused by the situation. He told the guy to send the knife in, and that he would receive a brand new one, with a proverbial pat on the back.

I liked that.

I believe this is the thread you are refering too... http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421583

 

[rjd]

anythingsharp,

You come across as a reasonable intelligent individual and seem to have no problem defending yourself. I won't verbally attack you and your views, but you have already stated your opinion on both Strider and Busse. There is no need to continue to stoke the fire by repeating your dislike for a certain brand of knife. The more venom you spew makes it appear that you are just looking to pick a fight or want to have the spotlight on yourself.

If you ever spent any time at the Busse forum, you would know that there is an unwritten rule about talking shit about other knife companies (It is not tolerated). Why don't you show the same respect?

You made your views painfully clear. Why don't you just drop it? Apparently there are plenty of morons around to spend real hard earned money on both Striders and Busse Knives. Me included. So I think you should get off your soapbox for awhile and quit preaching to the masses trying to "educate" them on the finer points of metallurgy and knife making.

Respectfully,
rjd

 

[Valle]

I believe this is the thread you are refering too... http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421583

Yes. I did not remember some of the breaking details so well but yeah, that´s the one.

 

[anythingsharp]

RJD,sincere thanks for the advise,I also feel that it`s about time for me to shut up.By the way,I INCLUDE MYSELF into the category of morons who spent their $$ on Busse and other useless chunks of metal,but I try to educate myself on daily basis.Take care.

 

[Cobalt]

I don´t own a Busse. I think they are too expensive, I´ve got a custom 5160 Chopper which I love, it was made to my specs, and it costed me less than a basic BM.

Once I saw a thread around here where a guy had broken a Busse knife. I did not find that thread with a quick search, so bear with me. Anyway, this guy had the thinnest, smallest, least expensive INFI Busse knife. He told how he hammered the knife into a concrete floor until only the handle was sticking out. He then kicked the handle until the knife broke in half. Needlessly to say, a lot of Busse fans piled on him, saying that what he had done was mindless abuse plain and simple. Some acused him of faking the whole thing. The pile continued on until Mr. Busse showed up in the thread. Instead of telling the guy to lick his sack, Busse seemed amused by the situation. He told the guy to send the knife in, and that he would receive a brand new one, with a proverbial pat on the back.

I liked that.

are you quite possibly talking about the Swamp Rat that Wicked1 pounded on for 8 hours with a metal pipe wrench? If so, take a look at noss video and how those knives lasted less than 1 hour with pounding. Yet th swamp Rat went 8 hours.

If there is another thread, please post it as I don't know of that one, which really surprises me. I'd like to read about it.

 

[aaronjayl]

are you quite possibly talking about the Swamp Rat that Wicked1 pounded on for 8 hours with a metal pipe wrench? If so, take a look at noss video and how those knives lasted less than 1 hour with pounding. Yet th swamp Rat went 8 hours.

If there is another thread, please post it as I don't know of that one, which really surprises me. I'd like to read about it.

He's refering to the SK that GarySoneji snapped. http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=421583

 

[aaronjayl]

As a side note, I have put my own SK through quite a bit. It has been hammered (literally) through coins and all around beat on. It took a razor edge which will shave hair. The only damage it has sustained is some coating loss on the tip of the blade and there is a nail catcher on the tip from where the tip rounded off a hair from being hammered.

 

[Cobalt]

got it. I just read it. Man, where was I?? Anyway, I am positive that Busse covered it, even if it was stupid to use a blade smaller than a butter knife to chop concrete by hammering it with another piece of steel. Very dumb. But covered none the less. If he was going to do something so stupid, he should have at least used a large blade to take the abuse.

Valle, after reading, there were busse fans on both sides of the argument, almost looked like an even split. So it is not as you say a one sided attack on the guy. Again, why do some people read negatively into things that are not really there??

But the only real test is Warranty. And the one thing that Anythingsharp never mentioned. No one offers the Warranty that the Busse knife company offers. Basically, you broke it unintentionally and it is covered.

There was once a guy that used a sledge hammer and a battlemistress to break up a concrete driveway. The BM was sent in for repair and Busse did not know what it was as it did not look like a BM. Yet the BM was covered. Why would anyone use a BM or any other nice blade to chop up a driveway unless they have no choice. There are other cheap tools for that. Nice to know that it can be done though:thumbup:

 

[aaronjayl]

....There was once a guy that used a sledge hammer and a battlemistress to break up a concrete driveway. The BM was sent in for repair and Busse did not know what it was as it did not look like a BM. Yet the BM was covered. Why would anyone use a BM or any other nice blade to chop up a driveway unless they have no choice. There are other cheap tools for that. Nice to know that it can be done though:thumbup:

ARE YOU FREAKIN SERIOUS?!?!?!...LOL Hadn't heard about that one.

 

[Valle]

Valle, after reading, there were busse fans on both sides of the argument, almost looked like an even split. So it is not as you say a one sided attack on the guy. Again, why do some people read negatively into things that are not really there??

I did not say it in bad faith, it is just that I did not remember the exact details so well. And I did not say it was a one sided attack, I said that a lot of Busse fans were against the knife owner, and that some accused the man of lying. What stuck to my mind was Busse´s way of handling it, he was on the guy´s side from the start.

 

[Yager]

I had about 10 Busses and sold them all before the current psychosis,no I can`t afford them now and wouldn`t ever buy them even if the prices go down to their old retail.I pay with US$$ and not INFI checks and expect complete honesty and openness from the makers.I don`t like the idea of proprietory steel,it begs to be paid for in chocolate gold foil-wrapped dollars.

After reading this whole thread, I think it reallly boils down to this....
Sour Grapes! He had 10 busses and sold them "before the current psychosis". If he still had them, he could have gotten ALOT more now. But he doesn't, so he is trashing them....
BTW, I don't care in INFI is made of aluminum and lead as you say. I read the reviews, take a chance on what I hear is a great product, then buy it and try it for myself. It either works as intended or not. Busse's WORK, so do other blades. I try to find the best tool for the job at the price I can afford. I do not knock anyone's blade, unless it has failed me in it's intented role, and the role advertised by the manufacturer.
The WHAT is not as inmportant as the WHO and HOW.
The type of steel used in not as important as who is using it, and how they use it. Blade geometery is probably the most important aspect of how well a blade will do a given task, followed by proper hardening and heat treat.
Also almost forgot, the company behind the product also makes a difference, and their warranty speaks volumes...