I just got my SOG Pillar in, and boy am I disappointed. What a letdown.

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Paperslicing? Maybe not, but they all should come at least nail catching IMO.
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My issue is with the people that think it doesn’t matter if the knife comes sharp at all, and if you criticize a company that sends a dull knife, “you suck at sharpening” remarks come out. That’s absurd. No company should send a dull knife to a customer.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
My issue is with the people that think it doesn’t matter if the knife comes sharp at all, and if you criticize a company that sends a dull knife, “you suck at sharpening” remarks come out. That’s absurd. No company should send a dull knife to a customer.
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I can agree to that.
 
tony281sc2 said:
Idk about the other brands but that’s not true for ZT. I’ve used their S30V, S35VN and Elmax with great results.
Edit: obviously the edge doesn’t last a year or 2, but in my use it was about 2x longer than cpm154 and N690.
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I believe you had positive results; however, ZT was obliterated with regard to their HT of Elmax and subsequent burnt apexes. They may be better now with Elmax, but my Emerson collab (the production Viper, can’t recall the model number) needed to be sharpened quickly because the edge was rolling any time it touched something.
 
A few things:

1. Knives should cut things. That is their primary function. They can also do other things but their Aristotelian purpose is to cut so they should come from the factory able to cut.

2. I am rarely if ever impressed by factory edges. I think the last production knife I got with an edge that I was pretty happy with was a Hogue and that seems to be a consensus. Barring that, every knife of mine gets a new edge. If you buy a knife in a given steel, S35VN in this case, you should also have the tools to sharpen that knife or be very close with someone who can. This reminds me of the guy who buys a firearm in some boutique caliber only to realize that he cant find the ammo anywhere and he doesn't reload.

3. Sounds like this is a refundable issue if its as bad as the OP says. Contact the dealer, return it, and have them send another one if you still like the knife but have them check to make sure it has actually been factory sharpened first. Not defending SOG here but all of us that have spent significant time in this knife game will get something wonky from the factory at some point from a wide range of manufacturers. Some are better than others but lemons come from everywhere.

4. If the OP doesn't want to return, doesn't want to sharpen, and doesn't want to contact SOG then it is just over with. Give the distributer or the manufacturer a chance to make it right if its outside of your ability to fix it on your own.
 
Murdamook said:
What you’re agreeing too is hokum and a straw man. No one said it was “okay”. What people said is that he should just sharpen the knife, get over it, or send it back because it happens. The exhaustion comes solely with OP because of his numerous other threads.
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… and I reject the assertion that someone should just “get over it and sharpen it themselves”. You buy a knife, it should come to you SHARP enough to cut with. I don’t know what about that is so difficult for you to understand.

What you’re advocating is the same as if you bought a new car and the engine didn’t work… and saying “well you should know enough about fixing cars to fix the engine, so fix it or get over it”. It’s laughable. Part of the expectation in BUYING a KNIFE is that it CUTS.

If you bought a set of kitchen knives from Walmart, would you be happy if you had to sharpen all 16 of them? Of course not. So don’t pretend it’s okay here.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
… and I reject the assertion that someone should just “get over it and sharpen it themselves”. You buy a knife, it should come to you SHARP enough to cut with. I don’t know what about that is so difficult for you to understand.

What you’re advocating is the same as if you bought a new car and the engine didn’t work… and saying “well you should know enough about fixing cars to fix the engine, so fix it or get over it”. It’s laughable. Part of the expectation in BUYING a KNIFE is that it CUTS.

If you bought a set of kitchen knives from Walmart, would you be happy if you had to sharpen all 16 of them? Of course not. So don’t pretend it’s okay here.
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Absolutely a knife should cut. It is its primary function so it absolutely should do that.

A Pen should write. A lighter should create fire. A flashlight should generate a beam of light.

I hold no animus towards the OP or anyone else here (thats ridiculous, this is an anonymous internet forum) but I think the point is you have a few options available to you when you buy a knife that doesn't cut, a pen that doesn't write, a lighter that doesn't spark fire, or a flashlight that wont turn on. You can sharpen a knife, you can buy ink for a pen, you can buy fuel for a lighter, and you can get a battery for your flashlight.

Yes, of course a pen should come with ink. Yes, of course a flashlight should come with a battery. Yes, a lighter should come with fuel. And finally a knife should come with an edge that cuts. Especially if each of these were advertised this way (ready to write, cut, light, etc right out of the box).

Though because we know the right way things should be done doesn't mean that things don't go wrong in the manufacturing process. When that happens and a customer is not happy about their product they could do some of the above remedies (Sharpen, fill with ink/fuel, get a battery, etc) or contact the manufacturer/retailer to get their money back or a functional product.

I think most of the ire here is just people suggesting that the OP do one of those things. Then if the retailer or SOG tells him/her to go get lost, he/she would have a much better case for how frustrated or angry they are.
 
The Zieg said:
Wow, OP really got y'all to fighting. "Setting the cat amongst the pigeons."
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Well that might’ve been the whole point. I’m curious as to what he did about it. If it was as bad as he claims there should be no issue w/getting a replacement. If they refused to exchange a bad knife, (which I doubt any of the bigger dealers would) then that would be lousy.
 
c7m2p3 said:
Absolutely a knife should cut. It is its primary function so it absolutely should do that.

A Pen should write. A lighter should create fire. A flashlight should generate a beam of light.

I hold no animus towards the OP or anyone else here (thats ridiculous, this is an anonymous internet forum) but I think the point is you have a few options available to you when you buy a knife that doesn't cut, a pen that doesn't write, a lighter that doesn't spark fire, or a flashlight that wont turn on. You can sharpen a knife, you can buy ink for a pen, you can buy fuel for a lighter, and you can get a battery for your flashlight.

Yes, of course a pen should come with ink. Yes, of course a flashlight should come with a battery. Yes, a lighter should come with fuel. And finally a knife should come with an edge that cuts. Especially if each of these were advertised this way (ready to write, cut, light, etc right out of the box).

Though because we know the right way things should be done doesn't mean that things don't go wrong in the manufacturing process. When that happens and a customer is not happy about their product they could do some of the above remedies (Sharpen, fill with ink/fuel, get a battery, etc) or contact the manufacturer/retailer to get their money back or a functional product.

I think most of the ire here is just people suggesting that the OP do one of those things. Then if the retailer or SOG tells him/her to go get lost, he/she would have a much better case for how frustrated or angry they are.
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I politely disagree. Replacing an ink cartridge , replacing batteries, and refilling fuel are all extremely easy tasks that almost anyone can do very easily. Heck, my kids could do all 3 of these tasks. Sharpening a knife properly that shows up dull is completely different than replacing batteries, ink, fuel. You have to learn how to sharpen knives over time, lots of practice and probably experience some screw ups along the way. You have to buy sharpening systems, stones, strops, compounds, etc to even begin the process. On top of that, you have the stress of possibility of making a mess of a knife if you don’t know what you’re doing? A knife should be delivered to do what it’s primary purpose is to do and that’s to cut. I’m not saying it has to shave hair but it should cut reasonable well out of the box. Take a quick poll of all your friends and family that carry knives. How many of them have real sharpening equipment to properly sharpen a knife and how many of them are proficient? My own poll is a friend of a friend, 1 person out of everyone I know, and this is why it’s a big deal if a knife shows up dull to the general public, the vast majority of people don’t have the equipment to sharpen knives and they certainly don’t know how to sharpen knives.
 
Paratrooper06 said:
… and I reject the assertion that someone should just “get over it and sharpen it themselves”. You buy a knife, it should come to you SHARP enough to cut with. I don’t know what about that is so difficult for you to understand.

What you’re advocating is the same as if you bought a new car and the engine didn’t work… and saying “well you should know enough about fixing cars to fix the engine, so fix it or get over it”. It’s laughable. Part of the expectation in BUYING a KNIFE is that it CUTS.

If you bought a set of kitchen knives from Walmart, would you be happy if you had to sharpen all 16 of them? Of course not. So don’t pretend it’s okay here.
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I’m flabbergasted that after all of our back and forth you’re still cognitively not able to correlate what’s been said. You have selective blindness, as I have repeated multiple times that the issue is related to OP’s hyperbole in other threads and entirely unrelated to his primary complaint. I’ve also stated on a repeated basis that, if he is either unable or unwilling to sharpen it, HE SHOULD SEND IT BACK TO THE DEALER/MANUFACTURER. For the life of me, I have never come across someone in a forum setting who has been obtuse.

The line is in the damn quote: “What people said is that he should just sharpen the knife, get over it, or send it back because it happens.” Look, there it is again. Scaring sparrows on BFC isn’t going to do anything.
 
Not everyday on a knife forum you see the word “obtuse”, I’m going to do a quick search and see if this is the first time. I’ll report back momentarily.
 
John Phillips said:
I politely disagree. Replacing an ink cartridge , replacing batteries, and refilling fuel are all extremely easy tasks that almost anyone can do very easily. Heck, my kids could do all 3 of these tasks. Sharpening a knife properly that shows up dull is completely different than replacing batteries, ink, fuel. You have to learn how to sharpen knives over time, lots of practice and probably experience some screw ups along the way. You have to buy sharpening systems, stones, strops, compounds, etc to even begin the process. On top of that, you have the stress of possibility of making a mess of a knife if you don’t know what you’re doing? A knife should be delivered to do what it’s primary purpose is to do and that’s to cut. I’m not saying it has to shave hair but it should cut reasonable well out of the box. Take a quick poll of all your friends and family that carry knives. How many of them have real sharpening equipment to properly sharpen a knife and how many of them are proficient? My own poll is a friend of a friend, 1 person out of everyone I know, and this is why it’s a big deal if a knife shows up dull to the general public, the vast majority of people don’t have the equipment to sharpen knives and they certainly don’t know how to sharpen knives.
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How pedantic do you get, seriously? You’re disagreeing with a non-point. His very last paragraph said to go to the retailer/manufacturer. Who cares if it’s different than any of those things when the person to whom you’re replying reiterated the fact that the guy should, once again, GO TO THE SOURCE if he’s that unhappy. FFS, like half of you in this thread read one sentence, find something you disagree with in that one sentence, react, then never look back. Then you end up with crap like this.
 
Murdamook said:
How pedantic do you get, seriously? You’re disagreeing with a non-point. His very last paragraph said to go to the retailer/manufacturer. Who cares if it’s different than any of those things when the person to whom you’re replying reiterated the fact that the guy should, once again, GO TO THE SOURCE if he’s that unhappy. FFS, like half of you in this thread read one sentence, find something you disagree with in that one sentence, react, then never look back. Then you end up with crap like this.
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You ok man? Gettin a little worked up over some knife sharpening dialog. Love the use of pedantic!!!
 
John Phillips said:
You ok man? Gettin a little worked up over some knife sharpening dialog. Love the use of pedantic!!!
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It’s entire thread of people misstating points to fit their narrative. I’m fine with trolling on IG or whatever, but I don’t sh*t where I eat. You people literally have to be trolling at this point to be ignoring obvious statements so readily.
 
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