i love the enduras throw the kershaws in the trash

[Thomas W]

we all like knives & love to talk about them.

...and love to "trash" them too, eh Dennis? You are really all over the place in this thread.

...throw the kershaws in the trash

 

[Kohai999]

....if members wish to inform me of the best cutting current kershaw currently available, i can easily buy it at jobber cost. please give me the best present kershaw & if i can obtain it i'll do initial cutting tests & if i think it warrants vindication i'll ship it to ankerson in carolina or knarfeng in san diego for sisal cutting tests & with their permission i'll post the honest results in the forum testing section. i'm not baised but have'nt seen at present a kershaw that holds an edge. the glove is in your hands--dennis

I would recommend the Lahar, 1750.

My favorite kitchen knife is a Kramer Shun 8" Chef's Knife in SG2.....it holds an edge better than some custom chef's knives I have, both American and Japanese.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson

 

[knivesandguns]

As the proud owner of 5 kershaws and a ZT, I have had no trouble with them. they still perform well. I wonder if he is referring to a shaving sharp edge. that would make sense. the only way you could kill an edge is if you were using it all day, every day for carpet or some other downright abusive material. that, then, is understandable.

Thomas, to get this "discussion" wrapped up, would you mind sending Akerson or someone else a sample, blemished, CPMD2 Leek and ask him or her to carry it until it gets dull. then, he or she could give his or her impression of the knife in general. that would kill this "discussion" thread.

What does Strickland's opinion mean that sending out a knife becomes necessary to change his already made opinion? There's dozens, if not hundreds, of people on this forum, myself included, who have exactly the opposite opinion of Strickland and who use their knives just as hard.

Not discrediting your post, thegeek, Ankerson also has plenty of Kershaw's products IIRC.

 

[Thomas W]

Thomas, to get this "discussion" wrapped up, would you mind sending Akerson or someone else a sample, blemished, CPMD2 Leek and ask him or her to carry it until it gets dull. then, he or she could give his or her impression of the knife in general. that would kill this "discussion" thread.

If I was going to send out a knife for evaluation, it would would be to the OP.

 

[thegeek574]

If I was going to send out a knife for evaluation, it would would be to the OP.

Alrighty. I have no problem with that. however, it seems that he is a little more than biased in one specific direction. your the man with the knives. i mean, how many people have every 1 of ____ made by kershaw?

 

[thegeek574]

What does Strickland's opinion mean that sending out a knife becomes necessary to change his already made opinion? There's dozens, if not hundreds, of people on this forum, myself included, who have exactly the opposite opinion of Strickland and who use their knives just as hard.

Not discrediting your post, thegeek, Ankerson also has plenty of Kershaw's products IIRC.

Point taken. just a suggestion. i bow to your superior intellect and education. you, after all, have a plethora of kershaws, iirc.

 

[DennisStrickland]

well one test is worth a 1000 opinions. i'll call the distrib utor & see about the zt0551 & or the leek s30 . may have to order but will sharpen as the benchmades & spydies on the edge pro to as close as an identical bevel & measure off the cardboard & count the cuts & report on testing section. i have minor liabilities so a few hundred dollars is no biggie. i have in 2 years ran the very similar test on spydie vg10, zdp with & w/o flat grinds. benchies in d2 & m390. also did the cardboard tests with queens d2 & gec 1095. as mentioned the last cuts were a discontinued northwoods gladiator in 60v against a spydie stretch in zdp. i make every attempt to be equal & honest in my results. in the end if the kershaws cut i will truthfully admit they are good or not. but also it will still be only my opinion. i do'nt understand why people are so upset with my comments since i'm only one guy. anyway the cardboard will inform me if kershaw has improved. --dennis

 

[timberweasel]

Dennis,

I, for one, did not read your original post as a literal message to all forum members to throw away their Kershaw’s. No disrespect to Mr. Thomas W, but I’m pleased to hear opinions from non-partisan enthusiasts as well as from manufacturer ‘ambassadors.’ You sound as confident in your testing methods as they do in their products. I am intrigued by your challenge… :thumbup:

Although I have more Spydies in my own humble collection than Kershaws, my most recent purchases have been Kershaws… I am new to the brand but I am impressed! I will certainly buy more from each company. That said, any test results you may encounter will not mean one manufacturer reigns supreme over another, nor do I imagine that you hold any such illusions. End of disclaimer.

And so, without further ado, may I suggest a test of steels? Now, I do admit, I know next to nothing about either, so I cannot say if these are even in the same league: ELMAX vs CPM M4--the Kershaw Speedform vs the Spyderco Gayle Bradley.

Would anyone else be interested in the results?

**apologies to all for going off the OP's intended topic... perhaps this discussion could be moved to a separate thread in the future?

 

[DennisStrickland]

as i mentioned in my statememt , recommend & i will purchase. no where did i request a free knife. after looking at the leeks & the jyds i think that the 3 in. blade on the leek with its lighter weight will appeal to more users than the jyd. this is in case i wish to trade the leek instead of keep it. i have no gain from testing any knife other than knowledge. i believe most members that are are aware of my posts will find i try to be honest in my evaluations. i own a carpet cleaning co. & do'nt use pocketknives to cut carpet, i use a razor knife for that purpose. i respect knifenut1013 opinion since i've had dealings in past with him , its possible kershaw has improved & my last cpmd2 was a dud. either way i will buy the s30 leek & hope i did'nt waste money once i run the tests.--dennis

 

[DennisStrickland]

timberweasel ankerson has tested the elmax & the m4 . he probably knows more about these recent alloys than anyone outside of phil wilson. i tested the mule on cardboard about 18 months back & it was increadible. subsequent tests by 2 members were m4 against m390. both surpassed zdp by a large margin. one reviewer tied the m4 & the m390. one favored edge durability of the m390 over elmax & m4. anyway i believe a fairer test would be s30 since most are really familiar with that alloy. this is not going to be a report on every alloy of kershaw, you can fun those particular tests & report if you so desire.--dennis

 

[DennisStrickland]

my millie in s30 ca'nt be ran since it only tested 58 by two different labs. my stretch zdp has 3 in. of usable cutting edge so i'll probably run this with the leek if blades are = in cutting length. please note we are'nt comparing the leek to the zdp but maybe the leek will outcut the zdp stretch. anyway it's an interesting test & i will give the number copunt on double thick cardboard by the same co.--dennis

 

[Thomas W]

well one test is worth a 1000 opinions.

Dennis, I don't mean to be giving you a hard time here, it's really not my intention. With that said...

Seriously Dennis, you need to just stop making these incredibly erroneous comments. No Dennis, your 1 test does not discount 1000 opinions!

i make every attempt to be equal & honest in my results. in the end if the kershaws cut i will truthfully admit they are good or not. but also it will still be only my opinion.

You mention in this same post that your test is worth 1000 opinions, yet this "test" is only your opinion? What the heck Dennis, you're sounding very confused about a point your trying to kinda make. Which is it Dennis? Is your test/opinion worth more than 1000 others?

no where did i request a free knife.

Have you or your "friends ever received free knives?

my millie in s30 ca'nt be ran since it only tested 58

What's wrong with S30V @ 58 Rc?

 

[bld522]

What's wrong with S30V @ 58 Rc?

Don't get Ankerson started on that one, Thomas.

 

[Thomas W]

Don't get Ankerson started on that one, Thomas.

Look, this is nothing more than a darksider wanting to say (and having a hard time doing so) that max hardening steel improves edge retention, period. Any steel that doesn't spec out to their liking should be thrown in the trash, and needs to be labeled as an under performer... It's true.

Forget the tradeoff's with max hardening, and thin geometry, those are just mere after thoughts.

 

[Thomas W]

Oh, one thing to remember...they know better than anyone, just ask em.

 

[Pete1977]

Look, this is nothing more than a darksider wanting to say (and having a hard time doing so) that max hardening steel improves edge retention, period. Any steel that doesn't spec out to their liking should be thrown in the trash, and needs to be labeled as an under performer... It's true.

Forget the tradeoff's with max hardening, and thin geometry, those are just mere after thoughts.

wouldn't max hardening of a blade tend to decrease its toughness and leave it brittle and prone to chipping?

Oh, one thing to remember...they know better than anyone, just ask em.

The steel isn't the end all be all of the knife. It is part of a whole. The steel with the greatest edge retention in the world is useless if the knife handle is uncomfortable to use for long periods of time, the lock is weak, there is no traction on the handle, and many other things...

The backyard testers on this forum seem to think edge retention is the ultimate in a knife's worth.

 

[knivesandguns]

Forget the tradeoff's with max hardening, and thin geometry, those are just mere after thoughts.

+1 there are many people who do things with their knives that shouldn't be done. Kershaw doesn't do-up custom RC for the knifeknuts here on the forums...

 

[midnight flyer]

Amazing to me that simple communication is so difficult around here. Personally, everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I think some would do well to learn how to express themselves knowing they don't use winks, jerks, cool, thumbs up or down or any other emoticon to let someone know if they don't mean exactly what they write.

When I read "throw it in the trash" along with the direct tone of the rest of the post, and the rest of Dennis' follow ups, I read that he meant he had so little respect for Kershaw that he felt you should rid yourself of that product.

As long as Dennis has been around here I would have to think that his direct, flat comment was intended to do what it did. While Dennis should certainly express himself in the way he sees fit, he shouldn't be surprised when people respond the way they see fit.

"How do you like my new Chevy truck? I saved up quite a while to get it!"

"I hate Chevys. Never knew one to be good. In fact, I NEVER drove on that was ever worth a damn at all. I bought 25 or 30, and none of them were worth a crap. If I had a Chevy I would drive it head first over a cliff and leave it".


Oddly, I have noticed that the same folks that express themselves that way don't seem to like to be spoken to that way....

I have a lot of personal preferences, but have learned to temper my commentary to let folks know that my opinion is just that. And with no substantive fact you know, that's all it is....

Back on topic, I would get the knife that felt best in my hand. Both are excellent makers, and both stand behind their products without question.

That being said, between the two choices presented, my personal preference would be the Kershaw. It rides very well in the pocket (almost disappears), and the geometry of the knife makes it an excellent slicer. And the reason I like it the best is the reason that some don't; I really like Kershaw's D2 and its treatment of same.

My favorite work knife is my JYDII comp. Last week, I installed a lot of kitchen/bath cabinets, large mirrors, etc. that all come protected in heavy cardboard boxes. At the end of the project, we cut up all the boxes the cabinets came in into 16" squares so we could put them in the customer's recycle bins - as opposed to having to load them up and haul them off. I figure that the JYD cut about 450 - 500 lineal feet of cardboard, some of it doubled, (and remember, some of these cabinet boxes are 9' long and 8' wide when you when you lay out the sides to get the cabinet) as well as the binding tape, cardboard packing inserts and in one case, fiberglass straps.

It did its normal duty as well, trimming a bit of molding here and there, shaving off sheetrock to make a better fit, cutting off the caulk and adhesive tube ends, trimming shims, etc. I was pleased because the knife hadn't seen a stone in a month.

Would it shave at the end if the day? Nope. But the next day, still plenty sharp enough to go to work and sharpen my pencil to the delicate, fine points I like for trim marking, cut up more packaging, and do its chores until Sunday. Five minutes on the diamond rod and it is a shaver again. After a year and a half of personal experience, this knife performs this same way every single time.

Using the "maybe Dennis got a dud" idea, my JYD is such a great tool I could almost feel that my personal experience could be different with the Kershaw D2 than others would have. Maybe I got the odd "superknife" that was the oddball best of the lot. But then I use my G10 Tyrade for a while, and nahhhh..... it is just as great. :thumbup:

Go figure.

Still, in the end both knives that were asked about are great knives, so I would say as I said before to buy the one that feels best in your hand and rides easily in your pocket.

Robert

 

[DennisStrickland]

going to post office now to order leek in s30, all i need is consistent cardboard & to use my edge pro for a consistent bevel. thomas all that is wrong with s30 at 58 rockwell is that it cuts a lot better & longer at 60 or 61. sorta like running 80 octane in your auto & switching to 100 octane. if the leek performs as it should i'll be happy to see kershaw has improved their alloys. heck i may even keep the knife although i think assisted opening is an answer looking for a question. just my opinion ,hope that doe'nt ruin your supper.--dennis

 

[Thomas W]

thomas all that is wrong with s30 at 58 rockwell is that it cuts a lot better & longer at 60 or 61.

We don't run S30V @ 60/61. Don't know many, if any, that do. I guess I would kinda expect it similar to your Milli that is off limits to you.

sorta like running 80 octane in your auto & switching to 100 octane.

Spoken like a true darksider.

if the leek performs as it should

...and how should it perform Dennis? In detail if you don't mind answering a question.

i'll be happy to see kershaw has improved their alloys.

We're the same as we've been Dennis.

just my opinion ,hope that doe'nt ruin your supper.--dennis

You've exceeded an opinion, and have gone into the jackass stage.

I missed your answer on you or your friends receiving free knives...