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s35vn in the newer ones.
s30v for the older ones.
BG-42 for the much older ones.
ATS-34 for the first ones.

That's the reason I said no, it will not cut better than your s35vn or s30v Para 2.

But there are other reasons they run the price so high.
 
how far can you push the fit and function of a tool with a singular moving part? i watched his video on this blog and there is nothing that impressed me about the facility or his tolerances. there were a few outright mistakes/lies spoken by him though. a human hair is between 2 and 3 thousands of an inch not 6, and most tolerances in aerospace are measured in microns not thousands as he would have the unlearned believe. ill keep using my chinese axis lock till it breaks from being used as a screwdriver in a pinch, and ill keep making knives and giving them away to average people who would never consider paying more than $20 for a folder. you guys keep using your crk's and BM's. you do use them dont you? if not, thats what most people would call useless ya know.
 
Burlap sacks for clothes is hardly comparable to purchasing $150 knives, that seems to be a straw man more than anything.

It is practically impossible to make a performance based argument for any particular price point in knives, because it is practically impossible to prevent a cheaper knife from outperforming one of any higher cost while keeping the cheaper knife exactly that - cheaper in comparison. The ability to sharpen, modify, exchange parts, or just buy one better equipped out of the box for a lower price is incredibly high. Pride of ownership or tolerances in the flatness of handle slabs does not increase wear resistance or improve drag while cutting, or assist in increasing Young's modulus, or anything else related to cutting performance. It is correct that people don't always pay for pure performance, or that increases in cost don't always equate to improved cutting performance, or that there is nothing wrong with paying for something other than cutting performance.

If you make something for personal use and do not sell it, you aren't stealing anything. period. If you do profit from copying a protected feature, then you are committing a crime.
 
i have never sold any of my knives,period. gave every single one away and am proud to say the folders are carried and used daily and the fixers are on belts all deer season long. now come 2015 things could change, couldnt they?
 
mike-E said:
i watched his video on this blog and there is nothing that impressed me about the facility or his tolerances.

you do use them dont you? if not, thats what most people would call useless ya know.
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Those tight tolerances is why they last so long under hard use, and you never have to worry about blade play, or a screw coming loose. And if his facility didn't impress you there won't be a knife manufacturer that will then.

And for the second part...did you not read my post a few post back?

Think what you will. Its obvious thats all you'll do.
 
mike-E said:
how far can you push the fit and function of a tool with a singular moving part? i watched his video on this blog and there is nothing that impressed me about the facility or his tolerances. there were a few outright mistakes/lies spoken by him though. a human hair is between 2 and 3 thousands of an inch not 6, and most tolerances in aerospace are measured in microns not thousands as he would have the unlearned believe. ill keep using my chinese axis lock till it breaks from being used as a screwdriver in a pinch, and ill keep making knives and giving them away to average people who would never consider paying more than $20 for a folder. you guys keep using your crk's and BM's. you do use them dont you? if not, thats what most people would call useless ya know.
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Congrats. I hope you experience tremendous pride by supporting wage-slave laborers who assemble Chinese-made "knives" that blatantly infringe on patents, are constructed of faulty, laughable materials, offer no warranty or consumer commitment, and profit from selling tools to people who use a knife as "screwdriver in a pinch." I'm sure there is a great pride of ownership to be had in owning tools assembled under abysmal economic conditions, in facilities that lack quality control, for the sole purpose of saving a few dollars.

But seriously, criticize quality knives all day long because you do not have enough money or ethics to purchase a quality American-made tool that will last a life time. But don't try to compare tools that are obviously of an inferior quality on the absurd basis that it performs a basic, simple function that can be accomplished by anything that is mildly sharp.

I'd post more dismissing this post, but my Sebenza needs to be cleaned and sharpened.

Best regards.
 
mike-E: Benchmade and CRK are sponsors of this forum and you're over here talking about using a Chinese axis lock at the same time mocking these company's customers for buying their knives. What is your point though? What is your desired end result? Nothing? Just to point out that many of the folks who frequent the forums aren't enlightened like you are with your $20 prying tools and knives you give to your friends for free? Like...Who really gives a S#17?
 
mike-E said:
how far can you push the fit and function of a tool with a singular moving part? i watched his video on this blog and there is nothing that impressed me about the facility or his tolerances. there were a few outright mistakes/lies spoken by him though. a human hair is between 2 and 3 thousands of an inch not 6, and most tolerances in aerospace are measured in microns not thousands as he would have the unlearned believe. ill keep using my chinese axis lock till it breaks from being used as a screwdriver in a pinch, and ill keep making knives and giving them away to average people who would never consider paying more than $20 for a folder. you guys keep using your crk's and BM's. you do use them dont you? if not, thats what most people would call useless ya know.
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Standard aerospace tols are + / - .0002
About the only features measured in micro are surface finish.

I know this because I spent a few years machining parts for the aerospace industry.
 
Several people have said it, I'll say it too. There's definitely a point of diminishing returns as far as utility goes. I have had a sebbie and a hinderer(forgot the model.) and in all honesty they did not cut any better than my beloved edc rift, which in turn does not cut a hell of a lot better then the griptilian in my glove box. However the little things with fit and finish, attention to details that the high end makers pay attention to, do result in a knife with that feeling that you're using something special. My first "nice" knife was 530 pardue for 80$. At the time it seemed like the worlds nicest knife compared to what came before it. It's just a matter of when the extra attention to details aren't worth the extra cash, and that's a different point for everyone.
 
thrashin302 said:
Like everyone here i love quality knives, spyderco's, benchmade's, KAI. I believe a knife is a tool, and a quality tool is worth investing in, and since im a knife addict i have several of them for differant uses. But theres a point when the price dont justify the work you get out of knife. Sebenza's, microtechs, emersons might be top notch materials and construction but there are plenty of knives for a lot cheaper that will hold up just as well as those, and honestly cheap bucks, byrds, and kershaws will be capable for 90% of the tasks a knife should have to do. My grandpa carried the same plain ol Schrade knife everyday for as long as i knew him and thats just a basic well built knife. The reson i bring this up is because my cousin just spent $200 on a benchmade osborne and yes its a great well built knife, but so is my Griptilian for over a $100 bucks cheaper. I think the high dollar knives become less of a tool, and more of an accessory. I dont mean to bash anyone or high dollar knives, but i liken it to women and purses. My gf will spend 20-30 bucks at a department store on a purse and its everybit as useful and lasting as a $500 designer purse, theres really no reson other than the bling factor. Maybe i'm just jealous but when i come across people who are talking about why you need a sebenza and talking about why there so much better, i just shake my head. Theres no way i could get $400 worth of work out of a knife, espicially when something like an endura/griptil/pm2 can do the same thing and is also proven to last. Sure, i'm being a little hypocritical since i have more knives than i need, and people can spend thier money however they want thats not what this is about, but am i the only one that thinks when a knife starts getting up there in price (for me its about 130-150) that they are getting away from what a knife really is meant to be and loose appeal in it no matter how awesome its supposed to be.
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What I wanna know is why he spent $200 on the Osborne? There are places that have them sub-$140...
 
NateReed said:
What I wanna know is why he spent $200 on the Osborne? There are places that have them sub-$140...
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He's still finding his way around the hobby I am assuming... He hasn't even learned where to buy it seems. He's paying brick and mortar prices straight up, without bargaining down. And judging from his post, he won't need to learn that these knives can be had for much less than standard pricing. May be content with byrds and kershaws like he stated. Good for him.
 
yes ,ill think what i will, one is born every minute. and ill believe what i see, most wont ever recognize they are one. did you ever use your knife as a screwdriver? how about a pick to get the grease or paint out of an ancient bolt head? you know they say a pocket knife has a thousand and one uses, if im afraid to damage the one i have in my pocket it kind of limits that ability and id just leave it at home. quality products are not above me so you know. i have over a dozen rod and reel combos that come in at 7-$800 but they ALL out-perform even 4-5 hundred dollar sets i have.i would never pay top dollar for any knife cause i can make them EASILY myself. if i want to buy something i buy the best i can get, but IF i can make it ill make it better than what i can buy.
 
FCM415 said:
He's still finding his way around the hobby I am assuming... He hasn't even learned where to buy it seems. He's paying brick and mortar prices straight up, without bargaining down. And judging from his post, he won't need to learn that these knives can be had for much less than standard pricing. May be content with byrds and kershaws like he stated. Good for him.
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Probably. Just figured his brother would have given him advice on where to buy. That's what I do for my friends
 
mike-E said:
if i want to buy something i buy the best i can get, but IF i can make it ill make it better than what i can buy.
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And I dought you have a pic of one of your fine knives that you've made that are made better than a CRK do you ?

Didn't think so.
 
thrashin302 said:
...yes its a great well built knife, but so is my Griptilian for over a $100 bucks cheaper...
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One could make the argument that a Griptilian is an overpriced knife. I personally think it is, when for the same (or less) money you can do much better than that cheap plastic handle. If you're going to argue that a less expensive knife can do whatever a high-priced knife can do, I think the Griptilian is a poor example of that.

And with that in mind, where should we draw the line? What is truly "overpriced"? Any cutting tool over $100? $50?

It's all relative. You shake your head when people buy sebbies, I shake my head when they buy griptilians. People shake their heads at me when I drop $50-70 on a Buck Vantage series knife, but I still think Buck makes great knives with great value.

If you're really looking for a knife that anyone can buy with little judgement about the choice or the value of the knife for what it is, I think the only safe bet is a SAK.
 
mike-E said:
yes ,ill think what i will, one is born every minute. and ill believe what i see, most wont ever recognize they are one. did you ever use your knife as a screwdriver? how about a pick to get the grease or paint out of an ancient bolt head? you know they say a pocket knife has a thousand and one uses, if im afraid to damage the one i have in my pocket it kind of limits that ability and id just leave it at home. quality products are not above me so you know. i have over a dozen rod and reel combos that come in at 7-$800 but they ALL out-perform even 4-5 hundred dollar sets i have.i would never pay top dollar for any knife cause i can make them EASILY myself. if i want to buy something i buy the best i can get, but IF i can make it ill make it better than what i can buy.
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You really need to stop your blow-hard trolling attitude already. If you continue to denigrate the conversation with your ranting and raving, you might want to look for another place on the web as this one might not be the best for you. You don't see the point in expensive knives, alright. It's been noted ad nauseum. Rephrasing the same thing isn't going to get your point across any more than it already has.
 
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Knives to me have become a full blown hobby. When you are into something, you will invest your time and money on it. I buy knives, sharpening gear, and random stuff for the hobby. Like many other hobbies/collections, Knives can become very expensive. It is what it is, mike-E if your content with your BenchChina, your other $20 knives then more power to you. But don't condescend and mock what other people do. If you do not see the value in certain knives, feel free to say so, but there is no need to rant on about how cool you are with your knifemaking skills and all that other mess, go tell your real life friends about it and have a ball.
 
mike-E said:
can i even post pics on this site? if so theyre coming.
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If you can make a knife better than CRK you should have no trouble figuring out how to post a simple pic.

Also, you may want to enter it at Blade. You may win awards for how well they are made year after year like CRK does.
 
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