I propose a dual.... I am calling you leather benders out....

You may have to reduce your existing belt loop to fit your D-Ring - and you will need removable ones.

May I toss out a few things?

1) After much research most old timer leather benders have found that the rivet doesn't strengthen the opening of the sheath. It can be used for safety (as you can't cut through those as easily) but they should be known to be mostly for looks.

2) The straight lines seem easier to stitch - but they are just as easy to round off. Al Stohlmans book on Making Leather Cases shows how he makes a sheath - it was indispensable for me.

Your leather is plenty thick and I am certain that your work would be bomb proof and do the job it was made for for a very long time. Great first efforts for sure!

TF
 
Paul Brach - you ass. I would say you have made a sheath or two! ;)

Isn't it the case though - MOST blade makers that I know HATE bending leather.

TF


Ha! I'm not sure who hates making sheaths more, me or Andy. But I think this will be fun so I'll join. Hmmm, now what can we do to improve a wet formed pouch sheath???
 
pretty darn good first attempts blood. thanks for sharing.

is that a shell-casing ferro rod cap? never seen than before. pretty cool idea.
 
Thanks guys, Yeah the rivet is just for looks. I mainly did straight lines cause I didn't want sheath that looked like like everyone else's; with rounded shapes. I'm the same with cars, I think most of the modern ones are to round and bubbly, I wanted square, sharp lines; sheath that look like the could cut things too, haha
And the leather is very thick, lucky I have a "yankee handyman" that makes short work of putting holes through three layers at once!!
 
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I square'd off two of my personal ones too. I like doing cord wraps on some, the box shape helps.
 
Sorry I just realize I lied about the the bushcrafter being my first attempt, my brother reminded me that I made this one for him first!!.
I apologize, it's not fiddleback but was actually how I intended to make all my sheath look, but then thought to experiment for fun...
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sorry, I just wanted to get clarification of cord wrap? Not 100% if I am thinking of the right think...


I did a solomon knot weave with leather cord near the bottom of a squared off pancake style sheath for a big bowie. I've also done just a regular wrap of paracord around a square'd off kydex before.
 
Pretty cool idea, Tal! I'd be willing to offer tips, potential "how to's", and any help participants might need as they progress. Would also enjoy seeing what guys are doing. It's amazing how much can be learned through others work.

Bullshit. You're playing. In fact, just to make it fun, if you'll play, then I'll make one too. Now I have my CC I want something slivery and daggerground hidden in my folds. I used to worry at the looks I got carrying a knife. Now that I carry a gun I figure a knife won't stand out too much. I'm thinking of a daggerground Bushboot. I have some ideas for the sheath I want too.

Heber, you too. Please participate if you can.

Rick - you have to be in too! ;)

TPVT - what do we say - end of April?

TF

Works for me. I hope Rick submits as well.


Blood604, your sheaths seem to be improving. Everybody starts somewhere. And your taste in knives is impeccable. C'est bon.
 
Okay Andy, it's on!:eek: I've already been looking at my 3 Finger Karda and Bushfinger. Both have the kirinite handles, so may be time to dress them up. Got to think this will really be some fun for all! Got to find time to put leather on my new Kimber .45acp so it can ride with me. You need some for your Kimber, too.

blood- I've spent some time looking at your work and feel that you've got a good start. My thoughts are always to begin with function and then go to form. You've pretty much got the function part done. There are a few points that will help it all come together easier and better. Might give yourself a little more room on the sew line away from the edge, for one. I can't really see how thick the welts are, but looks like they're same as the body. That's good! Like Tal said, if you're going to do a dangler, you'll probably need to narrow down the belt loop. Might be a good reason to do a different style belt loop rather than the folded over style:). Tal uses that style and spends a good bit of time working the flesh side of the leather to make it smooth and attractive. Now that gets into form and finish.

I do have an open ended question about wet molding the handle area. Now this is only a question, but one that I've wondered about. How will that hold up if you fall in the river at the beginning of a trip? Does it maintain shape and hold the knife after total soaking? I used to do it on all my pouch sheaths and always wondered about that issue.
 
Rick - I slather mine in Montana Pitch Blend as part of my dying process.

Mine hold their shape - but - they are not as radically formed as Bloods.

TF
 
pretty darn good first attempts blood. thanks for sharing.

is that a shell-casing ferro rod cap? never seen than before. pretty cool idea.

Haha, .308
I was out and the stock handle came unglued. Couldnt believe my luck when the .308 case was a perfect fit. So when i got home I drilled a lanyard hole and used some PL to secure rod in place!!
 
Rick, Dad used to caution against relaxing the fibers in the leather. He doesn't wet form much.

(Dad is Sandy Morissey. I am happy to say I'm in the group of men (great men except for me) that call him this.)
 
[I]"I do have an open ended question about wet molding the handle area. Now this is only a question, but one that I've wondered about. How will that hold up if you fall in the river at the beginning of a trip? Does it maintain shape and hold the knife after total soaking? I used to do it on all my pouch sheaths and always wondered about that issue."[/QUOTE][/I]

Rick, I'm gonna wet form my Kephart sheath but I have no intention of testing it in the manner you said. However, I will bring it to Trackrock and let you put it on, then you can fall in the creek and jump around until you are satisfied one way or another if you like... :)
 
OK. Its been a while since I've bought leather and my supplier is no more. Where are y'all buying leather?
 
I used to buy from Tandy but it was such a pain in the ass for small orders. I don't need 300 square feet of bellies, thanks!!

I started getting single cuts from The Leather Shed: http://www.leathershed.com/Leather/

Really good quality stuff and super easy to get 2 or 3 pieces for small projects.
 
I did a solomon knot weave with leather cord near the bottom of a squared off pancake style sheath for a big bowie. I've also done just a regular wrap of paracord around a square'd off kydex before.

I got it now, thanks. I like that idea;
kinda half do that at moment... I have some para cord tied through belt loop so I can sling it (still working on plans for a leather sling) and when not in use it get wrapped around sheath, quite sloppily though... But I'm definitely ring to remember before heading out next!!

Blood604, your sheaths seem to be improving. Everybody starts somewhere. And your taste in knives is impeccable. C'est bon.

Thanks Andy!!

A good guy makes the bulk of my collection, if your interested I could pass his info on to you, haha.

Really glad I ran happened across your knives; I've always loved knives but my collection was pretty basic before Fiddlebacks!!!


Okay Andy, it's on!:eek: I've already been looking at my 3 Finger Karda and Bushfinger. Both have the kirinite handles, so may be time to dress them up. Got to think this will really be some fun for all! Got to find time to put leather on my new Kimber .45acp so it can ride with me. You need some for your Kimber, too.

blood- I've spent some time looking at your work and feel that you've got a good start. My thoughts are always to begin with function and then go to form. You've pretty much got the function part done. There are a few points that will help it all come together easier and better. Might give yourself a little more room on the sew line away from the edge, for one. I can't really see how thick the welts are, but looks like they're same as the body. That's good! Like Tal said, if you're going to do a dangler, you'll probably need to narrow down the belt loop. Might be a good reason to do a different style belt loop rather than the folded over style:). Tal uses that style and spends a good bit of time working the flesh side of the leather to make it smooth and attractive. Now that gets into form and finish.

The leather its self, is 1/8" thick; right now the seem allowance is a 3/16" from outside edge of sheath and a 1/4" from blade edge on inside,... are there some rough number that would be better?
And welt, it that the strip sandwiched in the middle to protecting the thread? Its the same leather as the sheath and is about 7/16" at is narrowest... I say that because I trace it out so that it follows the blade edge in, mostly to have knife sit where I want it to... not sure it it is necessary but I have fun with it!!
Deffinitely will take note of what you both said about the belt loop and dangler!!

Curious about the work done to smooth out the fuzzy side of the leather... Was just wondering, ever time I pull knife out it has little bits of leather on it, not a huge deal but would it help to smooth all the inside or would that just eventually happen again and just a part of leather sheath?

I do have an open ended question about wet molding the handle area. Now this is only a question, but one that I've wondered about. How will that hold up if you fall in the river at the beginning of a trip? Does it maintain shape and hold the knife after total soaking? I used to do it on all my pouch sheaths and always wondered about that issue.

That thought hadn't crossed my mind before... So I filled the tub and tossed my first bushcrafter sheath with knife in; after a moment I pulled it out and stated shaking it upside-down, held it like it did before, so I tossed it in again... repeated process and knife still stayed in...
So in it all went again, this time when shaking the knife popped out so I quit and left it all to dry. After about 25 min I checked on it and tried shaking knife out again but it stayed in.
This was all with my first bushcrafter pattern, which I deemed to big for knife. So next chance I get I'll try with one I think I got a better fit with knife and see how that goes too!!
 
Hey Paul, only way that's going to happen would be after many adult beverages late in the evening. Hmmm...that could be a possibility. That lake is awfully cold in April, could cause major shrinkage.

I buy my leather from Roger Folmar at RJF Leather, 607-742-8969, top quality, very consistant, dyes and forms well. He sells double shoulders which may be more than most guys want since that's about 12-13sq/ft each piece. The best thought I can give is to buy the very best you can. Cheap leather only makes the project more difficult. The second thing would be to not buy bellies. Belly leather is very soft and the fibers are stretched and hard to work with. It is less expensive, but refer back to thought number one.

blood-Sounds like you're using 7/8oz. leather which is normally 1/8" thick. That is the same that I use for all sheaths and gun leather. For some of my other products I use 4/5 & 5/6 which are thinner. For small, light knives the thinner 5/6 works just fine. I know Heber uses 9/10oz. and I think Tal does as well. Like so many things, there is no "right or wrong". It's what you like and what works best for your purpose at hand. That fuzzy back side is the flesh side of the leather. You really want leather that has fine, tight grain on front and back. If you have nice tight grain on the back side, you can dampen the leather and use a smooth round tool (mine is an elk antler tine) to rub it one direction and get almost as smooth looking as the hair side. When this gets kicking, I'll post some wip photos to show some of my steps. The first is drawing the pattern and sew line. In short, leave yourself 3/8" for the welt. This will give you 1/4" from the edge to sew and 1/8" of welt next to the blade. Of course, you can allow more if you want.

Never dreamed my question would get somebody to throw their Fiddlebacks and leather into the tub! Guess there's nothing better than a practical test. It was only a thought.:D
 
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