I think this one takes the cake!

DVM,
Obviously my post offended you. I am sorry you took offense, but that was your choice. We still have the right to freedom of speech in this country, at least at this time. So I will exercise that freedom one more time.

Although you don't read about it often in the more liberal media, nor even hear much about it from human rights groups, China does use slave labor. They have a program called “lao gai” which is basically translated "Rehabilitation Through Labor." In this program prisoners are used for slave labor in manufacturing plants.

Unlike the United States, the families of Chinese prisoners are not put on welfare and food stamps. They have to get along the best way they can, often with little or no income.

Just for the record, I do not hate Stuart Taylor, but I find slavery immoral and utterly detestable. In my opinion, people who profit from the labor of slaves are equally immoral. I think Mr. Taylor falls into that category, along with many of the "big box" stores who make billions of dollars selling Chinese merchandise made by Chinese prisoners.

But this is my opinion, you may do whatever you wish, the blood of American servicemen and women has purchased this right for you.

You are free to buy Chinese knives that carry the brand-name of Schrade. You are free to believe that this is a Schrade knife if you wish. But you won't change my mind nor the mind of thousands of other collectors and knife users.

Dale
 
It was not my intentions to offend any one on this forum, as I have stated, I have enjoyed reading the historical information and collector’s information concerning knives. I have read where other members in the past have stated that they felt the negativity was unnecessary. All I was saying is that sometimes ones argument can be served best without degrading other people.

This forum has many fine qualities as for information available for knife collectors. I thank the positive contributors for all that they share.

This is my last post for a while, see you in six months. :)
 
.....has he gone yet?..I always hated fronting the headmaster to get the cuts didn't you?....now back to expressing our honest to good comments and emotions..some left of centre and some right of centre but netherless they're OUR comments and feelings and isn't this what this forum is all about.??..I loved every comment so keep 'em coming mates..but forget about political correctness there's other forums for that.....has he gone yet?.........Hoo Roo
 
Not to belabor the point, guys, but when I queried the seller "country of origin?" his one word response was "China". This is really one of the last ones I would have expected to be copied and sent to market. It would seem many other patterns would produce a lot more dollar volume. Any way if any of you are looking for a genuine, old, preclosing Schrade Melon Knife....This is not it!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...MEWA:IT&viewitem=&item=280092776234&rd=1&rd=1



Paul
 
Paul, I've been wrong many times before on the provenance of Schrade knives, but after looking at this yellow-handled trapper very carefully, I don't see how anyone could say that it wasn't made by Schrade right here in the good 'ol USA.

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orvet said:
DVM,
Obviously my post offended you. I am sorry you took offense, but that was your choice. We still have the right to freedom of speech in this country, at least at this time. So I will exercise that freedom one more time.

Although you don't read about it often in the more liberal media, nor even hear much about it from human rights groups, China does use slave labor. They have a program called “lao gai” which is basically translated "Rehabilitation Through Labor." In this program prisoners are used for slave labor in manufacturing plants.

Unlike the United States, the families of Chinese prisoners are not put on welfare and food stamps. They have to get along the best way they can, often with little or no income.

Just for the record, I do not hate Stuart Taylor, but I find slavery immoral and utterly detestable. In my opinion, people who profit from the labor of slaves are equally immoral. I think Mr. Taylor falls into that category, along with many of the "big box" stores who make billions of dollars selling Chinese merchandise made by Chinese prisoners.

But this is my opinion, you may do whatever you wish, the blood of American servicemen and women has purchased this right for you.

You are free to buy Chinese knives that carry the brand-name of Schrade. You are free to believe that this is a Schrade knife if you wish. But you won't change my mind nor the mind of thousands of other collectors and knife users.

Dale
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Right you are Dale. We are free to express/discuss what we want, we have the rights of the First Ammendment. Every time we shop at a big box store, the dollars leave the community forever and end up in corporate coffers, built by slave labor and a country like China with a terrible reputation, nothing but negatives for just the lack of basic human rights/needs. All at a cost to us American workers. There is a lot of counterfeits, China being a huge counterfeiter to top it off, and many sellers and companies with far less than perfect track records. I feel it's a positive act to point out these indescretions. I'm positive that it's a service to us all to point out those who have well earned negative reputations. There are swindlers in the knife community, who put dollars above all else.
To have nothing but a positive slant is to mimic censorship. We need to hear both the positive and the negative to make our descisions. There is a need to point out the good, just as there is to point out the bad. How can a descision be well made without one or the other. I say Kudos to those that applaud the positive and "right on" to those who point out those that have earned a negative reputation. I also say THANK YOU for the enlightenment!:thumbup:
 
Paul, Glad to see you are feeling good! And I like it when Dale tells it like it is !

Randy
 
Yer gonna piss off the Chairman (Mao)!! Oh wait, he's dead!!
Hilarious!!
 
I just have to make a positive statement here. I'm positive it is a big mistake to make China rich! Has anyone read that China is making plans to invest a TRILLION dollars U.S. in trade surplus?? Do you think it will benefit Americans?? Or do you think it will buy a large chunk of America!!!!
Save a few bucks (that's positive!) by buying a cheap knife, or cheap socks, and lose your country!!!
 
Waynorth,My job has a lot of Chinese Economy come across my desk. Consider this came across today. The Chinese monthly Trade Surplus just came out for February 07 at US$23.8 BILLION for one month and it was a short month at that and interrupted by the Chinese New Year break this year so less working days.It is 9 times larger than their Trade Surplus February 06 which was US$2.5 Billion with more working days. Their EXPORTS are up 52% and IMPORTS up only 13% due to their tight/clever fiscal policies.They are going absolute gangbusters and even surprised themselves they state! There will be no holding back the Chinese Dragon from here on and who knows what this will lead to.U.S. is screaming for protectionism like you have never seen before and if Americans dont buy American that 52% can only overtake all world economies.Its interesting the Grand WhoHa of their Economy stated today they regard themselves as the "workers" and the US as the profiteers of THEIR work.....I wonder for how long now they have unheard of Trillions to invest WISELY in US and throughout the world....its truely frightening!......
But hey I say who cares while there's a few more Schrades coming up on Ebay..its my form of escapism and pleasure which is getting harder to experience today.......It might help put into perspective Schrade,Camillus etc etc etc and many of your Companys' workforces......What do I know I'm only a lad from the Colonies...Hoo Roo
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300088988517&fromMakeTrack=true

This one is a Schrade D'Holder SDH01 clearly photographed with blade etch "First Production Run 1 of 500" I asked the seller what the serial number was and advised him of the location of the number. His answer was 0921. I think I remember Del telling me they made 1000 of these, but only the first 500 were blade etched as First Production run 1 of 500, so How can 0921 be etched 1 of 500?

I don't think this seller is guilty of anything other than not having the information that I do, but the point is if some one bought the knife for collectability this flaw could be a real deal breaker when he tries to resell the knife.

I hope Del sees this and he can either verify what I think, that it is a last days knife or some other plausable reason for this.

Paul
 
Larrys Classic statement was:

has he gone yet?..I always hated fronting the headmaster to get the cuts didn't you?....
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Yes Larry but you didnt hate the headmaster did you!!!:)

Now isnt there a wonderful lesson in that for all of us??:(

Seriously this is one of the best threads Ive read in a long time really enjoyed it. And thanks Larry.
Regards Tim
 
Not to belabor the point, guys, but when I queried the seller "country of origin?" his one word response was "China". This is really one of the last ones I would have expected to be copied and sent to market. It would seem many other patterns would produce a lot more dollar volume. Any way if any of you are looking for a genuine, old, preclosing Schrade Melon Knife....This is not it!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...6234&rd=1&rd=1
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The packaging is a dead hint on the fruit testing knife. The funny thing, a genuine Schrade (as in made by the Imperial Schrade Corp.) fruit testing knife cost $9.99. The auction for the Chinese production is already higher than that, with three days left to go.

If that knife were a genuine Shrade, the tang stamp would read:
SCHRADE+
U.S.A. 102

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As to the 'hot' topic of what's a Schrade and what's not, we've discussed it before and it's worthy of additional discussion. But I hope we can do so in a non-insulting manner, avoid any hints of racism, and perhaps reserve the nationalist "my country is better than your's" discussion for the Political Forum or W&C.

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regarding the D'Holder:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...keT rack=true

This one is a Schrade D'Holder SDH01 clearly photographed with blade etch "First Production Run 1 of 500" I asked the seller what the serial number was and advised him of the location of the number. His answer was 0921. I trhink I remember Del telling me they made 1000 of these, but only the first 500 were blade etched as First Production run 1 of 500, so How can 0921 be etched 1 of 500?

I don't think this seller is guilty of anything other than not having the information that I do, but the point is if some one bought the knife for collectability this flaw could be a real deal breaker when he tries to resell the knife.

I hope Del sees this and he can either verify what I think, that it is a last days knife or some other plausable reason for this.
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I'd like to hear thoughts from the experts on this also. According to Schrade's own website (July, 2004) - only 1000 would be produced and only the first 500 would be marked First Production Run.

Best Wishes,
-Bob
 
sheathmaker said:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300088988517&fromMakeTrack=true

This one is a Schrade D'Holder SDH01 clearly photographed with blade etch "First Production Run 1 of 500" I asked the seller what the serial number was and advised him of the location of the number. His answer was 0921. I think I remember Del telling me they made 1000 of these, but only the first 500 were blade etched as First Production run 1 of 500, so How can 0921 be etched 1 of 500?

I don't think this seller is guilty of anything other than not having the information that I do, but the point is if some one bought the knife for collectability this flaw could be a real deal breaker when he tries to resell the knife.

I hope Del sees this and he can either verify what I think, that it is a last days knife or some other plausable reason for this.

Paul
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You are right Paul. I've even seen a D'Holder collaboration with the serial number of 1,749 offer for sale, and, it was complete with a Certificate of Authenticity too !!!! :-)
 
Delander,
Do you think there's a chance that Schrade, in it's final days, renegged on it's original marketing and produced and stamped more D'Holders than they said they would?

Or it is a case of 'someone' assigning serial numbers to knives made from leftover parts?

-Bob
 
Bob W, from the above, If that knife were a genuine Shrade, the tang stamp would read:
SCHRADE+
U.S.A. 102

just to add to this, the 102 was the shorter version of the melon tester,
4 11/16, the 105 would be the 5 3/4 length, :)

Rusty1
 
Bob W said:
Delander,
Do you think there's a chance that Schrade, in it's final days, renegged on it's original marketing and produced and stamped more D'Holders than they said they would?

Or it is a case of 'someone' assigning serial numbers to knives made from leftover parts?

-Bob
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Bob,
No. I think that there were a number of knives that for one reason or another did not pass quality control and were then relegated to "the room". Then, they were trucked away and "salvaged". :-)
 
I was wondering if Taylor started making some of these knives in China. So I sent the seller an email and asked him where this knife was made. This is the response I got:
"I don't know where Schrade makes their knives. There are no markings indicating country of manufacture, so I cannot say."

Now I am really wondering. :confused:

Del,
Do you think is is possible that this knife was made in China? If so, I imagine D would not be very pleased about it.

Dale
 
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