I think we owe Rosconey2 a BIG apology

I am a Comissioned Officer......

Dan
Kohai999 said:
Great first post, Bubba.

Tombstone's name is Ralph. He knows what he likes, he buys knives, and he doesn't opine much, unless he has something to say. He is a man of his word, and highly regarded on the Forums. You on the other hand just made your first post. And not a very good one.

If I remember correctly, Daniel is non-comm, so he is definitely not "Sir". That is for Warrant officers and above.

I'll be your huckleberry, if'n you want to dance the dance. I gotta face, a name, and a clue, how 'bout you, and did my time in, USN, RE-R1 from '87-'91, how's bout you?

Daniel is handling this situation as a basic "how-to NOT". I figure he is just riled up. He'll gentle down a bit, with time. You got anything else of VALUE to add?

STeven Garsson
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bubba#1, Who in the F are you?Your just another faceless jackass on the interweb.Anybody can say anything,But actions speak louder than words.
 
:jerkit: Are you done yet?????

Dan
rosconey2 said:
this whole friggin deal is about communication or the lack of it-
not only doesnt dp communicate he also takes no responsibility about his lack of communication-thats the kicker-

and now diamdave has to return the wrong knife before he gets the right one?thats bullshit-guy said he would do one thing,doesnt do it,gets pissed when its mentioned and now diamdave is the bad guy and must return the wrong knife first-

so how in the hell did either of us sell the extra knife that we DIDNT receive-for the record i only sold 1 knife made by you,i never received a free knife so i guess im not the fake here-
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I don't believe this. For an officer and a businessman, you sure as hell aren't paying too much attention to how you treat your customers or even how you are seen to treat your customers.

So you already lost rosconey as a repeat customer. How do you think your actions and words look to the rest of us who may (or may not, now) in the future be ordering from you? Or your use of the jerk-it smiley to preface your insulting dismissal of rosconey's post?

Do you not realize how that appears to the rest of us, ALL of whom are prospective customers? Or do you just not care?
 
What are you saying? Its ok for everyone to bash the sellers? Then what kind of site is this? That isn't right don't you think? This is the GB&U isn't It?

Daniel
Keith Montgomery said:
Daniel, I don't think you are doing yourself any good by being so disrespectful of the members of this forum. I think all you are doing is shooting yourself in the foot.

There are a lot of people making good knives for reasonable prices. No one has to buy your knives, they have to want to buy your knives. In my opinion, when people see posts like the ones you have made in this thread, a great many of them will be turned off by your attitude. I guess you figure you are being unfairly treated, but once again in my opinion, taking out your frustration by lashing out at people that are potential future customs is not a smart or productive thing to do.

I respect what you are doing when you put active duty military personnel at the front of your orders. However, if you tell a customer that he is going to get something in a certain amount of time, you should get it done in that length of time, or contact the customer and give them the reasons that you can't.

All the best to you with your plans to stop taking orders. I have to think though, if you aren't going to be taking orders, that Bladeforums is going to be an important place to promote your work. Alienating the membership here is very counterproductive. Think about it. It's really a no-brainer.
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Easy don't buy my knifes easy!!!

roughedges said:
I don't believe this. For an officer and a businessman, you sure as hell aren't paying too much attention to how you treat your customers or even how you are seen to treat your customers.

So you already lost rosconey as a repeat customer. How do you think your actions and words look to the rest of us who may (or may not, now) in the future be ordering from you? Or your use of the jerk-it smiley to preface your insulting dismissal of rosconey's post?

Do you not realize how that appears to the rest of us, ALL of whom are prospective customers? Or do you just not care?
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Daniel Prentice said:
Easy don't buy my knifes easy!!!
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That's your response to me? At least its finally something we can both agree with.

I haven't bashed you or insulted you. I don't think you've treated your customers correctly in this instance but everyone makes mistakes. In my opinion, its how we respond after the fact that we are judged by.
 
Daniel Prentice said:
Don't we love to put out 2 cents in.....lmao
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Well, now that you mention my two cents, and since you seem to want to prolong this discussion...

Could you please point to where diamdave "bashed" you? As I re-read the original post here, it appears that he simply reports the course of events without any name-calling or accusations. His "caveat emptor" line is as strong as his recommendations get.

My perception, as an outside onlooker, is that the truth hurt (i.e. that you're dropping the ball on delivering goods as promised and on communicating with customers), and you responded with an ad hominem strategy--trying to make the buyers seem like nuisances. This insinuation came through with the line "Geezzzzzzzzzz I will be glad when i finish with you both."

Perhaps, if dealing with customers, even disgruntled customers, is not something you like to do, then your choice to stop taking orders is a good one. I hope that your demeanor at blade shows is not equally caustic, and I wish you luck in that venue.
 
Wow, I am just floored by this thread! Daniel, while I believe most of us can understand hardships and lack of control for scheduling (to a degree), but we generally are not very tolerant of dishonesty or slander. Your posts in this thread have been angry, contradictory and disrespectful. I find it hard to believe that as a CO and businessman, you could be so disrespectful to customers and prospective customers. That, paired with what seems to be a blatant disregard for your reputation, anyone depending on your income and those of us that support the edged tool and military communities, lead me to believe that you are in need of someone else to handle your PR while you go make good on your promises, or you are just another chip in the edge of our community. I do wish you well on your endeavors, but hopefully as a Professional and an asset to the world of edged tools.
 
like i said -you should have left me out of this- now you've gone and taken away any doubt people had about your character-

i hope the time spent posting to this thread hasnt taken away contact time with customers who may want some info from you-

and to take out your issues with me on diamdave shows a total lack of class,you said you were sending him another knife-grow some balls and stand by your word with him-its his choice if he wants to send the first back after you posted he could have it-
 
Daniel Prentice said:
:jerkit: Are you done yet?????

Dan
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Sadly, your career as a knifemaker may be close to being done if you keep this up.

Your attacking paying customers for simply reporting YOUR failure to meet the terms of a deal. Do you have ANY idea how that looks to every one reading this now and in the future when buyers thinking of buying from you do a search of your name?

Bad reports like this don't just fade away, there here 24/7 as long as this forum exists.

I would hope that a Commisioned Officer could exercise more humility and restraint.
 
Daniel Prentice said:
Easy don't buy my knifes easy!!!
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Are you REALLY a commissioned officer? I've worked for plenty of them in my time and (with a few exceptions) they were all sharp, well-educated, hard working men who would never let a deadline pass uncompleted. They knew how to write in English, too.
 
Daniel, this does not look too good. I don't think you are seeing the big picture here.

As knife makers we should be part of these forums to build a good reputation. It takes a long time to build a good rep and a very short time to turn it bad.

I do wish all the best man!
 
Bubbanumber1 said:
Who the F are you but some whiner on the Interweb? If you wish to address Daniel you should use the word Sir first because in the real world that is how he is spoken to.
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First, run of the mill civilians, those not affiliated with the DoD or other federal agencies, DO NOT have to address military officers as "sir" or "ma'am !"

Second, Daniel Prentice is participating on this forum as a "knifemaker. . .NOT a commissioned officer.

We can get into the legalities of military members addressing someone if they are aware the person is an officer, but that has no play in the topic of this thread.

Taking the position you have. . . .because you believe others "should," is absolute BS !

I'm glad that Daniel is serving our great country. I did my time for Uncle Sam, and I'm sure as hell ain't calling him "sir!" ;)


Bubbanumber1 said:
I have never bothered with posting on this site but in this case having bullshit artists dressing down active duty Army personnel its piss in my Wheaties.
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:jerkit:

Better to be pissed off. . . .than pissed on.
 
When I addressed not taking orders....I put with a timeline...meaning I will take the order but will only give a guess when it will be completed not an actual date. I am a 1LT and a RN at Fort Bragg. I work 4 days a week just as a floor nurse, then I do exces Army BS. And on call 1 day.

Don I respect you as a fellow maker please advise me as to what you would do. Its not the fact that the knife was 75.00 I am overwhelmed with making my knifes at this time.

I am going to send this knife out whether I get the other back or not, is his integrity. I understand that makers sell just as much of there reputation as their knives. I do admit being late, I do admit being overwhelmed. I am learning from it. My knives can always improve and no i don't think I am the shit.

Daniel
 
Daniel Prentice said:
What are you saying? Its ok for everyone to bash the sellers? Then what kind of site is this? That isn't right don't you think? This is the GB&U isn't It?

Daniel
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If the seller has not kept up his part of the deal then it is completely acceptable for them to come to GB&U to let others know about the problems they are having. That is what GB&U is for. You told one customer that you shipped him a kniffe when you hadn't. You sent another customer the wrong knife. You failed to communicate with either of the customers until the problem was brought to GB&U.

You are acting like it is the customers that are the problem because they have complained about the treatment they got from you, when none of this would have happened if you had just done what you said you were going to. Quit trying to make it appear that this situation was brought on by anyone other than yourself.

The problems that have been brought to light here are easy to rectify. Don't tell customers that you have shipped a knife when you haven't. Keep in regular contact with your customers so they know what's going on. When you tell a customer you are going to do something, do it. Those would be easy to impliment solutions, but instead you decide that you decide to stop taking orders because dealing with your customers is a pain in the butt. You put the blame for your problems where it doesn't belong, with your customers.

The only time you would have a legitimate complaint for what has happened here is the things being said about what you did were not true. That doesn't appear to be the case.

Anyway, if you feel that losing your temper and insulting the members of this forum is a good career move, then go for it. I guess you think it won't have any effect on your knife business. Maybe you get all the business you can handle from your sales to the military and your repeat customers and don't need the sales generated by this forum. If that is the case, good for you, because as I have stated previously, I think your actions in regards to how you have treated your customers, and how you have reacted to criticism have been extemely counterproductive.
 
GigOne said:
First, run of the mill civilians, those not affiliated with the DoD or other federal agencies, DO NOT have to address military officers as "sir" or "ma'am !"

Second, Daniel Prentice is participating on this forum as a "knifemaker. . .NOT a commissioned officer.

We can get into the legalities of military members addressing someone if they are aware the person is an officer, but that has no play in the topic of this thread.

Taking the position you have. . . .because you believe others "should," is absolute BS !

I'm glad that Daniel is serving our great country. I did my time for Uncle Sam, and I'm sure as hell ain't calling him "sir!" ;)




:jerkit:

Better to be pissed off. . . .than pissed on.
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The original post was directed at a couple people who I consider to be taking a piss on a hard working full time Army part time knife maker who is considered first class among knife makers across the United States. 2 people who have far from being ripped off are bitching about time lines and quite frankly are clueless about how long it can take to get a knife from a custom order. If you want to bitch because he took the order then he got busy and missed the projected time line fine. Thats is what happened and now he has corrected it and just as his website says, he is no longer taking those orders.


Daniel has a first class reputation and these two are trying to put him into the same class as those who have taken many many orders and then just disappeared. It is well documented on this forum that many and I mean many people have been ripped off by ordering knives. In this case nobody has been ripped off, not a single person yet the whine fest for drama queens continues. Personally I would wrap them a cashiers check in a tampon and have it sent by courier but Daniel is a nice guy (Unlike myself) and thats not his style. He is a guy who has helped many soldiers and puts them first in line, thats first class, not to mention the help he has provided to many knife makers in making better knives. He sure as hell does not deserve any of this BS!
 
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