I thought these were overbuilt? Direware lock fail (brand new knife)

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I posted here a few days ago asking if direware was able to perform through hard use.
I know this doesnt necessarily disqualify it but I mean, I expect a little more strength from a $1000 knife.

So apart from almost cutting my hand off, what do you guys think? Im pretty sure im gonna go return it tomorrow because this is quite frankly unacceptable.

 
They make stupidly huge framelocks, right?

I'd assume they have the same weaknesses as just about any other decent frame lock, and are just as susceptible to poor lock geometry and design. The ones I've seen in reviews seem to have pretty early lockup and questionable lockbar tension.

I don't know what your definition of hard use is, but think there's better options out there for considerably less money.
 
An overbuilt frame lock is still just a frame lock, it relies completely on tang/lock bar geometry and just a bit of spring tension, and unless they are perfect you can possibly run into issues from time to time. While they work perfectly fine for 99% of all tasks, if you're going to do extended hard use and put the handle and knife under possible random or unorthodox angles of cutting and hand gripping, there are better options that will never fail on you, or wear out the mating faces of the lock. Yeah I know i'm a broken record about it, but there's only one Tri-Ad lock :p
 
This is why I think the “Beta Plus Lock” addition that both Ruike and Real Steel use on their framelocks is kind of cool. You slide the tab/button up, and it will not allow the lockbar to move no matter how you’re using the knife. While I don’t personally find this necessary when using a knife correctly, it’s still a neat little innovation that soothes my OCD tendencies when it comes to things like this.

OP, you should check out the (locked) ZT thread that discusses failing frame/liner locks at length. You might find it interesting.
 
Im really disappointed to be honest. I really really love the knife. But this is just so unacceptable to me especially at above 1000$.
 
Fire Beard said:
This is why I think the “Beta Plus Lock” addition that both Ruike and Real Steel use on their framelocks is kind of cool. You slide the tab/button up, and it will not allow the lockbar to move no matter how you’re using the knife. While I don’t personally find this necessary when using a knife correctly, it’s still a neat little innovation that soothes my OCD tendencies when it comes to things like this.

OP, you should check out the (locked) ZT thread that discusses failing frame/liner locks at length. You might find it interesting.
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Where can I find this thread? can you provide the link?

and Im going to return this knife tomorrow. Im happy with the benchmades I have, and in fact appreciate them more.
 
CCC1522 said:
Where can I find this thread? can you provide the link?

and Im going to return this knife tomorrow. Im happy with the benchmades I have, and in fact appreciate them more.
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Kinda sad but that happens to a lot of people when they purchase high end knives
 
I definitely would expect better and while I'm not much for the spine whacking that looked like a solid non-abusive test that no locking knife should fail. I think a split joint could hold up as well or better.
 
If you really dig it, and I can see how you would (it is pretty cool), maybe contact the maker directly. Rather than just return it maybe they can tune it for you or perhaps there is something simple that can be done.

I find it unbelievable that such a thick frame can be so easily moved by a relatively light tap on the blade.
The frame is titanium right ?
Good luck man :)
 
CCC1522 said:
I posted here a few days ago asking if direware was able to perform through hard use.
I know this doesnt necessarily disqualify it but I mean, I expect a little more strength from a $1000 knife.

So apart from almost cutting my hand off, what do you guys think? Im pretty sure im gonna go return it tomorrow because this is quite frankly unacceptable.

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Unfortunately you can make the handles out of as thick titanium as you like. It only creates the illusion of strength. A framelock knife’s strength in terms of lock up is all dependant on its lock geometry. It is not something that seems easy for many companies to get right unfortunately. Even if the lock were to never fail all that thick handle is for show really. The titanium would bend at the lockbar cutout where it is the thinnest.

If you want the strongest folding knife possible you have to get the strongest folding knife lock. Without a doubt that has shown time and again to be the Andrew Demko triad lock.

Now for 1000$ I assume you want a knife that is nicer than a cold steel. You should look at the Andrew Demko AD10. That folding knife will be among the strongest locking knives on the market with the only competition being other Demko or cold steel knives which feature the Triad lock.

Return that unsightly titanium brick. Framelocks and linerlocks can be great knives but I would never count them among the strongest.
 
Wowbagger said:
If you really dig it, and I can see how you would (it is pretty cool), maybe contact the maker directly. Rather than just return it maybe they can tune it for you or perhaps there is something simple that can be done.

I find it unbelievable that such a thick frame can be so easily moved by a relatively light tap on the blade.
The frame is titanium right ?
Good luck man :)
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Yes it is a titanium frame lock. i just tried cleaning the lock faces but the issue persists.

This is a huge let down and Id rather get my money back.
 
Under normal or even hard use the frame lock would be getting squeezed by your hand so the lock bar would be held in place but if there was some bad geometry and grinds involved on the lock bar and lock face then it could be forced out. I have had this happen with some gas station grade knives in the $10 dollar range but a $1,000! send it back quick because orthopedic surgeons are more expensive. Dude! it looked like you barely struck it hard at all.
 
CCC1522 said:
I posted here a few days ago asking if direware was able to perform through hard use.
I know this doesnt necessarily disqualify it but I mean, I expect a little more strength from a $1000 knife.

So apart from almost cutting my hand off, what do you guys think? Im pretty sure im gonna go return it tomorrow because this is quite frankly unacceptable.

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Wow, just wow.
 
Kinda strange you got that blade shape tbo for the tasks you talked about in the other thread. It's also a frame lock... Not idea for your tasks either as we mentioned.

Direware would likely fix your problem. I doubt any one uses them other than in a safe or to cut paper.

ZT has lock failures like that and everyone says it's a non issue. So go figure. Your probably not gonna have a problem. Though yea alot of frame locks have this issue occasionally if it's not done right nor tested by the maker. I doubt anyone actually uses a 1000 knife. Maybe to stick it in a tree like Heeter Nation.

In any case yea you should return it for another one that doesn't have the issue and make sure that direware test it first. But think your idea is kinda bogus from the start of your first thread about this topic to now.
 
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