I thought these were overbuilt? Direware lock fail (brand new knife)

[DocJD]

I have not owned any so this is purely me parroting what I have seen other members and a few other sources say; but don’t those 4max often have various fit and finish issues?

Some definitely do ! The Italian made mostly , I think . That's probably why the price differential at Knifecenter . About $60 more for the USA made . And surely if you got a bad one , they would replace or refund .

The 4-Max is a very strong , hard use knife but there are probably better finished types available for fondling and bling .

I don't own the 4-Max . Just don't need that stout a folder . I have plenty of fixed blades for that purpose .

 

[shinyedges]

Funny, told you so.

 

[shinyedges]

I think what everyone is trying to say is, don't buy the direware expecting it to perform meaningfully at bushcrafting. Of course it's your money, but the knife will suck at the tasks you want use it for.

Live and learn I guess.

Im not sure many of the ppl saying so read clearly what I said. But ok.

LOL

 

[ponykid]

as was mentioned you can get a strong folding knife for about 10% of the cost of the one the OP bought. This unfortunate situation brings up the concept of diminishing returns . that $1000 did not buy a strong lock. It bought a very cool looking knife with nice materials and a name branding.

Even a Demko , though a much stronger better designed realistic knife is another example. is the $1300 getting you a knife that's directly 90% better than a $130 coldsteel Triad lock knife? I guess that's in the eye of the buyer .

I love Demkos and will never have the money to own one though if I had the expendable cash I would buy one without hesitation for the pure pleasure of ownership. I like the knife the OP bought as well and can feel his pain. I agree save another 300 and get a Demko.

 

[GermanyChris]

TIL that Direware has QC issues.

I also had the same tick as I did during the ZT thread I just took out my knife and spine whacked it on my hand, I'm all kinds of fail like Direware

 

[kuraki]

Like they say, geometry cuts.

 

[jstn]

Has anyone done tests comparing the strength of the scorpion lock to the strength of the triad lock? I would be very curious to see those results.



Do you think 1000$ could net him some version of the Demko AD10? That is exactly the knife I would recommend to the thread creator.

Probably not an AD10, but definitely an AD15 for well under. Super strong lock too, and easier to clean. Also, @Mick_1KRR, I'll take it!

 

[jill jackson]

Some high end framelocks have extremely early lockup, the idea being that they will wear in. I've seen pictures of them for sale and the lockbar would be barely on the blade. Wearing in would take a long time and I think it's a bad practice to send them out like that. I know from tapping on a few of my framelocks they can be made to withstand some hard taps on solid surfaces so I'd never pay for these barely locking high dollar knives.

 

[Pilsner]

The concept of charging $1,000 for a locking folder, which will close if the spine is merely bounced on the palm of the hand, is absolutely baffling to me. The idea of a locking folder is that it will not close on the user's fingers if pressure is applied to the spine of the knife.

As somebody above pointed out with a certain levity, a slip joint would do an as good or better job than this bizarre... 'knife'. Ergos, design and looks aside, charging $1,000 dollars for a locking folder that does not lock. That is the headline here, IMHO.

 

[unwisefool]

Has anyone done tests comparing the strength of the scorpion lock to the strength of the triad lock? I would be very curious to see those results.

I believe Andrew said that they are not quite as strong, but still take many hundreds of pounds to break.

 

[Quiet]

Hold up, did someone actually say they bought a Direware for BUSHCRAFTING?!

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA (WHAAAAAAAAAT) HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHH

(wipes tears from eyes) that was a joke, right? I mean....

Right?

 

[jill jackson]

This 100 dollar HK Benchmade with double solid steel liners has held up to a lot of hard use. It's still tight and centered. I've even hammered the blade through thick plastic and it still wasn't a bit compromised. This picture was when it was still newish.

 

[Peter Hartwig]

That will teach you for not putting it directly in the safe
I am not a big advocate of the spine whack, but if your going to market as overbuilt you should have the attributes to go with it. You likely could get it fixed to your satisfaction, but with $1000 riding on the outcome I don't know if likely is good enough. Just return it.
Hope you have better luck with your next knife

 

[Insipid Moniker]

This 100 dollar HK Benchmade with double solid steel liners has held up to a lot of hard use. It's still tight and centered. I've even hammered the blade through thick plastic and it still wasn't a bit compromised. This picture was when it was still newish.

It's really a shame they DCed those. For a tough, affordable work folder they were hard to beat.

 

[Pilsner]

It's really a shame they DCed those. For a tough, affordable work folder they were hard to beat.

Yes, Jill's got a great collection eh?

Here's one for around $150 that I enjoy cutting through nasty stuff with, a Fallkniven Liner lock in Lam. CoS. Love this knife, it never fails:

 

[CCC1522]

LOL

Again I never said I was going to be bushcrafting with it, I said should the need arise COULD it perform the tasks occasionally and could it perform through hard use such as bushcrafting. I never said or asked " can I bushcraft with this knife?" i specifically asked if it could perform in tough tasks such as bushcrafting without failing and this is not at all speaking about performing effectively because I know this blade shape is not optimal for that. The original question was to verify if its construction could handle aggressive use not whether the blade shape was optimal so theres also that and I specifically said that in the original thread.

People seemed to misunderstand what I said and only selectively read what I was asking. Which is exactly why I said ppl didnt read clearly enough. I explained many times in the thread that I wasnt planning on using it for bushcrafting but if the need arised COULD it perform. wtf is wrong with that question? its very aggravating that you cant ask this without people misconstruing what youre asking and in fact think youre implying that thats what youre going to try. I dont know how many times I have to say it. I was asking about its ability to perform hard tasks, and to investigate whether the knifes construction could withstand hard use. What do you not get? I literally could not break it down any clearer than that if I tried.

 

[shinyedges]

Again I never said I was going to be bushcrafting with it, I said should the need arise COULD it perform the tasks occasionally and could it perform through hard use such as bushcrafting. I never said or asked " can I bushcraft with this knife?" i specifically asked if it could perform in tough tasks such as bushcrafting without failing and this is not at all speaking about performing effectively because I know this blade shape is not optimal for that. The original question was to verify if its construction could handle aggressive use not whether the blade shape was optimal so theres also that and I specifically said that in the original thread.

People seemed to misunderstand what I said and only selectively read what I was asking. Which is exactly why I said ppl didnt read clearly enough. I explained many times in the thread that I wasnt planning on using it for bushcrafting but if the need arised COULD it perform. wtf is wrong with that question? its very aggravating that you cant ask this without people misconstruing what youre asking and in fact think youre implying that thats what youre going to try. I dont know how many times I have to say it. I was asking about its ability to perform hard tasks, and to investigate whether the knifes construction could withstand hard use. What do you not get? I literally could not break it down any clearer than that if I tried.

The overwhelming answer was NO! I don't think you understood that.

It's a folder with a framelock, even if it could hold up, the question is HOW LONG? Using the knife in a hard use capacity shortens it's life span, significantly. If you want to beat your folder knife into oblivion in a "surviva!" situation, at least you were warned it won't hold up well.

For the intended use you want it to possibly perform, you bought the wrong knife. Go buy a cold steel.

Fixed blade is the obvious answer.

 

[PirateSeulb]

I think we need to stop getting hung up on the fact the OP asked about its potential to stand up to bushcraft type use as the OP did and has clearly stated that is not the intended use but more a what if/in case of scenario. The OPs intent is irrelevant to the issue presented of the lock failing so easily which is an unacceptable issue. I can allow ZT to let some off the line with that issue but for $1000 I expect almost none to be shipped out with that issue and it is unacceptable either way and should be returned to someone manufacturer or purchase location.

 

[Pilsner]

But when all is said and done, it isn't even fit to do any task assigned to a locking folder, as it doesn't lock. Bushcraft or no bushcraft, he wanted a hard use knife. That one is anything but.

 

[jill jackson]

It's really a shame they DCed those. For a tough, affordable work folder they were hard to beat.

I just put goo gone on the blade wiped it off and sharpened it up. Checked it out and damn thing is tight as new! The D2 just gets razor sharp in a few passes too. I'm off work today and mom and me are going shopping, I clipped it in my pocket in honor of it being a great hard use knife. Anytime I can use the heck out of a knife and have it hold up like this I'm impressed.