I Want A New Grinder

When buying a new motor, many of them come with both 56C mounting face and a base bolted on, so you get both for same price. The Iron Horse motors are the least expensive ($127 shipped for 2hp, 3ph) of any new motor I've found, and they seem to work just fine. If you find a used motor, then you might have more options. Had I considered it, I might have mounted my motor using base plate rather than 56C plate. It was a good bit of work machining that mounting plate. The more I think of it, the more I think the base plate mount would be just as good, and allow an extra adjustment for alignment.

For the grinder built you posted the photo of, I "think" I'd prefer the base plate mount to 56C mount. With base mount, you could use one of those motors you mentioned laying around to mount and test grinder while deciding on motor/VFD combo. You would have only 1 speed. If you've got the shaft, pulleys, etc you "could" do the extra work involved to start with a 3 step pulley setup, then change to 3ph & VFD later at no additional cost, since you would not have spent any money on the test 1ph motor and pulley setup. "IF" you have to buy motor, pulleys, belt, shaft, bearings, etc - that will cost about the same as buying the 3ph motor and VFD - using the links I provided before.

That was why I built with a pulley setup for first grinder - I had motor, belt, pulley, shaft on hand so had no real cost involved. After using that for a yr I got the itch for a variable speed. I thought about adding variable speed to the grinder I had, but wound up selling it for more than it cost me to build the one I have now with variable speed. As I've stated before, while using the pulley I didn't really think there was any real need for a variable speed, but finally decided to try it. After using the variable speed - WOW!! I've posted a couple of times "I have to eat crow" on the need for variable speed. I had no idea how often I'd be at 500 SFPM when doing a final grind on fitting parts. Also, when using 600, 800, or even 2,000 grit belt, a slow speed is VERY important so as not to "burn" with that fine grit.

Ken H>
 
When buying a new motor, many of them come with both 56C mounting face and a base bolted on, so you get both for same price. The Iron Horse motors are the least expensive ($127 shipped for 2hp, 3ph) of any new motor I've found, and they seem to work just fine. If you find a used motor, then you might have more options. Had I considered it, I might have mounted my motor using base plate rather than 56C plate. It was a good bit of work machining that mounting plate. The more I think of it, the more I think the base plate mount would be just as good, and allow an extra adjustment for alignment.

For the grinder built you posted the photo of, I "think" I'd prefer the base plate mount to 56C mount. With base mount, you could use one of those motors you mentioned laying around to mount and test grinder while deciding on motor/VFD combo. You would have only 1 speed. If you've got the shaft, pulleys, etc you "could" do the extra work involved to start with a 3 step pulley setup, then change to 3ph & VFD later at no additional cost, since you would not have spent any money on the test 1ph motor and pulley setup. "IF" you have to buy motor, pulleys, belt, shaft, bearings, etc - that will cost about the same as buying the 3ph motor and VFD - using the links I provided before.

That was why I built with a pulley setup for first grinder - I had motor, belt, pulley, shaft on hand so had no real cost involved. After using that for a yr I got the itch for a variable speed. I thought about adding variable speed to the grinder I had, but wound up selling it for more than it cost me to build the one I have now with variable speed. As I've stated before, while using the pulley I didn't really think there was any real need for a variable speed, but finally decided to try it. After using the variable speed - WOW!! I've posted a couple of times "I have to eat crow" on the need for variable speed. I had no idea how often I'd be at 500 SFPM when doing a final grind on fitting parts. Also, when using 600, 800, or even 2,000 grit belt, a slow speed is VERY important so as not to "burn" with that fine grit.

Ken H>

Thanks a ton Ken for all your help. I may just go with the exact motor and vfd you linked to. As $260 for the set seems like a steal. I just need to figure out how to get everything together :)
 
I'm glad to be of help - BTW, what part of the world are you in? If it's anywhere close, we could get together and chat, maybe even work on grinder together some.

Remember, the VFD I linked to is a NEMA 1 case WILL require protection, either with filter over air inlets or enclosing in a box. I cut up an AC filter and put over the air inlets. From the amount of dust on filter I think it's doing a pretty good job. For $116 shipped (I got my VFD before price increased) I figured I'd use it until it crashed, then decide on what VFD for replacement.

Ken H>
 
I'm glad to be of help - BTW, what part of the world are you in? If it's anywhere close, we could get together and chat, maybe even work on grinder together some.

Remember, the VFD I linked to is a NEMA 1 case WILL require protection, either with filter over air inlets or enclosing in a box. I cut up an AC filter and put over the air inlets. From the amount of dust on filter I think it's doing a pretty good job. For $116 shipped (I got my VFD before price increased) I figured I'd use it until it crashed, then decide on what VFD for replacement.

Ken H>
I live in Michigan. And yes I will have to get some filters of some sort.
 
What part of Michigan? I'm in Northern Indiana. If you want to see my grinder set up or need any light machining on anything, you're welcome to drop by if your within a reasonable commuting distance.

Either way, you should fill out your profile. :)
 
What part of Michigan? I'm in Northern Indiana. If you want to see my grinder set up or need any light machining on anything, you're welcome to drop by if your within a reasonable commuting distance.

Either way, you should fill out your profile. :)

I'm in the Upper Peninsula of MI. That would be great if I were going through that area! And will do, just updated my profile.
 
something I just learned and my electrical is novice level if not weak so correct me if I'm wrong
The Ironhorse motor is not inverter rated which means when you slow it down (with the VFD) , too slow and too much load ont he motor, it will heat up.
I just bought a 1.5 HP Ironhorse and the automation direct tech rep confirms this.
I have a Leeson 2 HP on my grinder which is inverter rated.

The ironhorse I bought is for a disc grinder setup hooked up to my KBAC VFD.

regards
 
something I just learned and my electrical is novice level if not weak so correct me if I'm wrong
The Ironhorse motor is not inverter rated which means when you slow it down (with the VFD) , too slow and too much load ont he motor, it will heat up.
I just bought a 1.5 HP Ironhorse and the automation direct tech rep confirms this.
I have a Leeson 2 HP on my grinder which is inverter rated.

The ironhorse I bought is for a disc grinder setup hooked up to my KBAC VFD.

regards

Very interesting. If possible could you post the link to the Leeson? And will it work with that same VFD that Ken posted?
 
something I just learned and my electrical is novice level if not weak so correct me if I'm wrong
The Ironhorse motor is not inverter rated which means when you slow it down (with the VFD) , too slow and too much load ont he motor, it will heat up.
I just bought a 1.5 HP Ironhorse and the automation direct tech rep confirms this.
I have a Leeson 2 HP on my grinder which is inverter rated.

The ironhorse I bought is for a disc grinder setup hooked up to my KBAC VFD.

regards


http://www.automationdirect.com/adc/Overview/Catalog/Motors/AC_Motors_-_General_Purpose_and_Inverter_Duty_(0.25_-_300HP)/AC_Motors_-_General_Purpose,_Cast_Iron,_IronHorse_(1_-_300HP)/3-Phase_Motors,_T-Frame,_Premium_Efficiency_(1_-_300HP


Looking at the Iron Horse 3-phase motor description in this link, it say "inverter capable". Not to say that all of them are, but it appears that at least some are.
 
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I'm in the Upper Peninsula of MI. That would be great if I were going through that area! And will do, just updated my profile.

You must be right down the road from Bark River Knives. I'd check out one of their grind-ins if you haven't already.
 
You must be right down the road from Bark River Knives. I'd check out one of their grind-ins if you haven't already.

I'm by Bark River & Rapid River Knives. What do you mean "grind-ins"?

I've been to Rapid River multiple times. I'm in there for hours chatting sometimes. I have them laser my logo onto my blades. Took me back into the shop and everything. Showed me a few things. Pretty cool.
 
Bark River has at least a couple of yearly "grind-ins" where they invite makers of any skill level and experience (or lack thereof) to come and learn how to make a knife. They supply the tools and materials, and you have the option to grind on a pre-profiled (and heat treated, if I'm not mistaken) blank, or just a "blank" piece of steel to make your own pattern. They give tips and help as needed, and by the end of the grind-in, you have a finished knife to take home with you.

I think there are a number of other activities, provided lunches, etc... over the 2 or 3 days, including a banquet. Cost is around $200 or so if I'm not mistaken. I've not actually been to one, but I've heard about it from a number of makers, and if it were a little closer, I wouldn't mind attending one myself.
 
Bark River has at least a couple of yearly "grind-ins" where they invite makers of any skill level and experience (or lack thereof) to come and learn how to make a knife. They supply the tools and materials, and you have the option to grind on a pre-profiled (and heat treated, if I'm not mistaken) blank, or just a "blank" piece of steel to make your own pattern. They give tips and help as needed, and by the end of the grind-in, you have a finished knife to take home with you.

I think there are a number of other activities, provided lunches, etc... over the 2 or 3 days, including a banquet. Cost is around $200 or so if I'm not mistaken. I've not actually been to one, but I've heard about it from a number of makers, and if it were a little closer, I wouldn't mind attending one myself.

You know what now that you mention it I have heard of that. The first time I heard of it was waaay before I started making knives so was never really interested in spending the money. I may think about it next time.

A little off topic but, not really! :p Got a team of 4 guys together to bowl a tournament. We're currently in 1st for $3000! $750 isn't a bad cut for an average day of bowling. Guess what i'll be spending most of that on? :D
 
Bowling in a tournament with a $3,000 pot? You much be up there with the Pro bowlers!!! Congrats - just hang in there. $750 will build a first class grinder!
 
http://www.automationdirect.com/adc...otors,_T-Frame,_Premium_Efficiency_(1_-_300HP)

Looking at the Iron Horse 3-phase motor description in this link, it say "inverter capable". Not to say that all of them are, but it appears that at least some are.

that Ironhorse link isn't working, I'd like to see which ones are inverter capable

Here is the Leeson I have

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The Leeson is a good motor - I've been using one for 3 yrs on a lathe I've got. Seems like I paid $140 or so shipped for the 1hp? Where did you get your Leeson motor and price?

Not sure why that link didn't work, but try this one: http://tinyurl.com/p38fnyf The full link is so long I made a tinyurl link - much easier to handle that those multi-line links.

edit: You can also go to the automationdirect.com website and do a search on part number MTR-002-3BD36 and it will turn up at top of page.

Ken H>
 
Is there anyway of getting a variable speed motor with 110v?
I have 220 in the garage. Never used it, and its in a very awkward place. Id either have to run a very expensive ext. Cord, lol, or move the 220 box to the other side of the garage.
 
Up to 1-1/2hp works just fine with 120vac - once you get over 1.5hp you'll need 240vac. #14 cable is all you really need for the extension cord. How many feet do you need? 50 ft? try this link: http://www.ebay.com/itm/141653351500? OR perhaps even better is SOOW cable here: http://tinyurl.com/k2au6mk where you order by the foot, 50 ft is only $37 plus shipping. Priced at 74 cents/ft. Just put your own ends on for extension cord. With your share of bowling winnings, you're good to go {g}

Ken H>
 
The Leeson is a good motor - I've been using one for 3 yrs on a lathe I've got. Seems like I paid $140 or so shipped for the 1hp? Where did you get your Leeson motor and price?

Not sure why that link didn't work, but try this one: http://tinyurl.com/p38fnyf The full link is so long I made a tinyurl link - much easier to handle that those multi-line links.

edit: You can also go to the automationdirect.com website and do a search on part number MTR-002-3BD36 and it will turn up at top of page.

Ken H>

I still don't see on that page link where it says the Ironhorse is inverter capable?
I believe the long link sent above is a general category of "general purpose and inverter duty"
The Ironhorse falls under the general duty, there are other motors that fall under the inverter duty part and they are more expensive.

The Marathon motors are "Inverter-duty AC motor" and they are $400 etc...

http://motors.automationdirect.com/Information/compare.html

pls advise if I'm incorrect here
 
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