I Was Wrong About WE Knives

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I like America and just feel a lot better leaving my $$ at home. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything. Even when I hear a bunch of hype about a new, awesome, 'gotta have it' knife, if it's Chinese it's not for me.
For many years I was a loyal customer of certain companies /no knife related/ Usa made and Germany made was only condition from me .Now after many yeras I feel like I was cheated from USA made and Germany made .They make lot of money on me ....lot !And years ago they move production in China !!!! My money, my loyalty helped them to be able to move in China ! Leason learned .......Now I buy China made and it is better quality .........
If they don t care about me why I should care about them ????
 
This kinda makes me chuckle having been a Ducati 750SS owner. The motorcycle was pure junk as compared to my Japanese made rice rockets. At the end of the day CNC machines are color blind. So are robotic assembly plants which might arguably make for more reliable cars. While I'm happy that my Toyota Highlander was assembled in Indiana it's not why I bought that car. It also didn't stop my wife from buying an AMG as her daily commuter car.

Having variety is great. I've been to some countries where there's like no joking around maybe 10 models of cars max wherever you go. A car is just transportation. The good ole US of A is a land of plenty and maybe even excess that its netizens can argue all day about what knives are best. I personally really enjoy the one WE knife that I have, it's designer is American, paid for his design and the blade steel was purchased from an American company as well. Not very different from the US made knives that I own as well. I could argue that Italians have very sexy designs but I wish they would have their manufacturing handled elsewhere. Case in point, the Ducati that I owned had brass brake bleeders that would sheer off after a few uses, brass...who does that?

Because you're supposed to put new ones on every time you do the brakes. Duh!

I love Ducatis, and the newer ones are getting better in the maintenance intervals department, as well as reliability, but I don't think I could own one. A Japanese bike is usually gas, oil, plugs once in a while... And they just run. Every once in a while a lemon pops up (2007 kawasaki zx6r dropping valves from bad heat treats) but it's very rare.
 
.......Now I buy China made and it is better quality .........

I honestly can't argue with that. Some of the most embarrassing knives I own are made in USA from reputable companies, well, one in particular. I'm actually appalled at the blatant rip-off of the American name in regards to USA quality and then marketing the cheapest junk that can be put together as 'genuine USA made'. I can't help but see the value is overwhelmingly skewed toward overseas production. I won't buy American junk anymore than I'll by foreign junk. Domestic options are limited and generally expensive comparatively but there are quality USA products that aren't just riding the Made in USA moniker and actually make a good product at a good value.

I'd be way out of line to say USA made = superior quality but when quality and made in USA go hand in hand I take pride in it and support it as best I can.
 
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It's your money, spend it anyway you like.
If you prefer to support China instead of supporting the USA, that's your right.
Personally, as a US citizen, I think that sucks.
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I am NOT knocking American knife companies at all. I like a lot of designs from Freeman, Protech, Spyderco, and Benchmade. In fact my all time favorite knife is my beloved Spyderco Military.
 
No, you’re wrong. The bottom knife is a custom Laconico EZC with Ray’s hollow grind. I also have an MBK EZC clone. It has a full flat grind. There’s no comparison between those two knives. But the Keen compares favorably to the custom EZC in many ways. The Keen is made by WE, the subject of this thread. The MBK EZC is made by Kizer.

Thanks for the correction. It can be hard to tell with Ray's designs whether its the custom or production. It'll be interesting to see if he makes any integral customs now that the EZC 2.0 was released. Sanford and Ray have been pretty cagey about who they use as OEM on MBK models, so I'm surprised that people seen to agree on Kizer making the EZC (1.0). It's been a while since I've tried a new Kizer, but my EWC doesn't feel like a Kizer detent, definitely more like a WE, but who knows...

marchone marchone Has MBK used Kizer for all of their knives?

As I said above, Sanford and Ray have been very cagey about who makes stuff for MBK, so I imagine they spread the wealth. I also can't think of any Kizer integrals off the top of my head, and a quick Google didn't find any, so I'd be surprised if the XLC and the new EZC 2.0 were made by Kizer. WE has produced a fair number of integral models, so they'd be more likely. I'd also be surprised if the EWC was made by Kizer, since it's got a relatively strong detent, where Kizer has had somewhat of a reputation for weaker/softer detents.

I did the Gent scales. Tried my hand at some different G10 options. Also, recently I've been on a bit of a kick trying to learn a little silversmithing, jewelry making. Mostly using copper, and some investment bullion silver that I purchased at the very top of the market some years back. Because the value since purchase had been sitting nearly half what I paid, I just decided to play with it instead of storing. Some of it I've tried melting and pouring into different ingot shapes. But for the scales, I needed to hammer out my own sheet metal from the ingot pours. On my little 15 pound anvil, that took for-evvv-errrr. But I managed to get it pretty thin, and finished it off with the texture from a checkered faced roofing hammer.

Looking back, I obviously should have just started with some coinage for the sheet. But nooooo. For some reason I got it in my head that I needed to make it out of my own 1/4" thick bar pours.

Did similar for the copper sheet, only I started out with a piece of copper pipe that I opened up. So not nearly as many hours required to hammer out the copper.

I ended up making one scale in silver, then the other out of copper, in an attempt to decided which I liked better. But since they took so long, I still haven't gotten around to finishing mates. So that knife continues to be used in it's bi-polar state.

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I even tried my hand at making some US Quarter Mokume. But never really got any tight enough to be able to work from billet. Maybe some day. But currently only using a little propane torch, baby crucible whip, and tiny little anvil. Maybe someday I'll improve a bit.

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Beautiful stuff. Thanks for sharing.

Has anyone else noticed porosity on some WE scales?

What material? The two WE-produced knives I have with G10 scales (Gent and Mini Archbishop) haven't had any weird issues. I carried the Gent a lot until I started branching out in my collecting, but black G10 isn't going to show much. I actually dyed the scales and backspacer on my Mini Archbishop from tan to purple, and it took a good 10+ minutes, so they're not particularly absorbent. For comparison, dying the FRN handle of one of my Spyderco Salt knives from yellow to grey took maybe 2 minutes.
 
Because you're supposed to put new ones on every time you do the brakes. Duh!

I love Ducatis, and the newer ones are getting better in the maintenance intervals department, as well as reliability, but I don't think I could own one. A Japanese bike is usually gas, oil, plugs once in a while... And they just run. Every once in a while a lemon pops up (2007 kawasaki zx6r dropping valves from bad heat treats) but it's very rare.
Ha hah it was an air cooled bike and their crappy brake lines basically boiled over the brake fluid just sitting in NYC traffic. What a horrible design. I did ee that the newer bikes were improved but it's why I ended up with an RC51 versus a 999...well that and maybe 15K, lol.

I do appreciate robotic assembly and process automated manufacturing when it comes to my knives though. They're tools at the end of the day! Although some are shinier and nicer than others.
 
Ha hah it was an air cooled bike and their crappy brake lines basically boiled over the brake fluid just sitting in NYC traffic. What a horrible design. I did ee that the newer bikes were improved but it's why I ended up with an RC51 versus a 999...well that and maybe 15K, lol.

I do appreciate robotic assembly and process automated manufacturing when it comes to my knives though. They're tools at the end of the day! Although some are shinier and nicer than others.

RC51s are sweet bikes! I'm honestly a little jealous!
 
marchone marchone Has MBK used Kizer for all of their knives?

O OrangeBlueOrangeBlue covered it pretty well. The first Monterey Bay Knives/Laconico releases were reportedly made by Kizer. Since then Sanford has been cagey about it. He’s allowed that it’s a different manufacturer but won’t identify them. The discussions have been on Instagram.

I have three knives from MBK: XLC, EWC, and EZC. The first run EZC was clearly made by another company. You can see which clips are identical. The XLC Integral and the newest EZC 2.0 Integral are very likely made by the same manufacturer. Is it WE? I can't confirm it, but it's plausible.

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I am NOT knocking American knife companies at all. I like a lot of designs from Freeman, Protech, Spyderco, and Benchmade. In fact my all time favorite knife is my beloved Spyderco Military.
Are you suggesting only paid members should have a voice on an internet forum?

Yes, from your previous posts, you don't prefer US made knives.
Stop lying to yourself and everyone else here.
 
Are you suggesting only paid members should have a voice on an internet forum?

Yes, from your previous posts, you don't prefer US made knives.
Stop lying to yourself and everyone else here.

Members buying paid memberships is what keeps this forum open and available for all members regardless of whether they pay for a membership or not. Everybody is fully allowed a voice, but that voice is only able to be shared because of the paid memberships. Because this forum is a privately-owned forum run by one man, everybody who likes and enjoys this forum is always wanting others to help keep it open as well, so you'll see a lot of suggestions to buy a membership and most of them are simply because we all like the forum and want to see it thrive. Usually when someone mentions they only support US-based companies it's pointed out that the forum itself is also a US-based company and it'd be great to see support of it as well.
 
Buying from a US company that sells knifes made in other countries isn't good enough for knife Karen.
I don't comb social media looking for knife makers social, political views etc
I just buy what i like. Can't wait for the Black void opus!!
 
Has anyone else noticed porosity on some WE scales?
I have WE/CIVIVI scales in Titanium, CF, G10, Micarta and wood. I've never noticed any porosity in them.

I am curious - can the WE workers in China legally EDC that knife?
I've been told that locking knives are not legal in China. That's why you often see the lock bars photo shopped out of knife pictures at some online marketplaces.
 
What material? The two WE-produced knives I have with G10 scales (Gent and Mini Archbishop) haven't had any weird issues. I carried the Gent a lot until I started branching out in my collecting, but black G10 isn't going to show much. I actually dyed the scales and backspacer on my Mini Archbishop from tan to purple, and it took a good 10+ minutes, so they're not particularly absorbent. For comparison, dying the FRN handle of one of my Spyderco Salt knives from yellow to grey took maybe 2 minutes.

Sadly Ti. Looks like those old Balisong handles that Benchmade use to make with casting. I guess they never specify that they don't cast the handles, so fair play as far as I'm concerned.

I can link a picture if anyone is curious. It's clearly porosity.
 
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