I would really like a compression lock Military and Civilian, would anyone else?

[stabman]

Also I've never pinched my hands using a compression lock, these people must be the same people who need to wear gloves when cutting with a knife?

Don't know about where you live, but here we have a thing called winter.
It is cold...and my hands don't work well in the cold.
Hence, gloves. They are good for that cold thing called winter. And since my hands suck, I need even thicker ones than I see others wearing.
The original Military can be opened, used and closed all while wearing those thick winter gloves. Some of my other knives can too...but not any of the ones I own that have a compression lock.

 

[Hashishiin]

Don't know about where you live, but here we have a thing called winter.
It is cold...and my hands don't work well in the cold.
Hence, gloves. They are good for that cold thing called winter. And since my hands suck, I need even thicker ones than I see others wearing.
The original Military can be opened, used and closed all while wearing those thick winter gloves. Some of my other knives can too...but not any of the ones I own that have a compression lock.

I've tried it, just like I can flick a Dragonfly with my middle finger, it's possible, just not the most ideal thing ever.

 

[Hashishiin]

I don't mind a well designed liner lock, especially when it has a choil to land on your finger in the rare event of lock failure. I agree this redesign is more of a PM2XL, but the only thing that kept me from buying an original Military was the lack of tip up carry. There's no way I'm carrying a liner lock tip down in my right pocket, if that detent fails when one of my kids are climbing all over me I want the seam of my pocket to push it back shut not sever my leg and injure anyone else around me.

Also, a compression lock can be closed easily like a lock back where you drop the blade moving the tab over with your thumb so the choil lands on your index finger, and then finish closing it in that same two step process to a lockback. It requires no grip adjustment this way as opposed to when using your index finger to move the lockbar over, which proves the compression lock to be very versatile. Also I've never pinched my hands using a compression lock, these people must be the same people who need to wear gloves when cutting with a knife?

The PM2 is a smaller, fatter blade version of the Millie, the Para 3 is an even fatter, shorter blade, with more handle. The Military 2 is the same knife as the Military, same blade, plus a bigger choil on the handle. If it was a different profile, maybe, but a PM2 XL it is not.

 

[stabman]

I've tried it, just like I can flick a Dragonfly with my middle finger, it's possible, just not the most ideal thing ever.

You probably aren't picturing just how thick my gloves are.
My hands still end up freezing, but not quite as quickly as if I wear the "normal" thickness ones I see others wearing.

If I had more cash, I'd avoid the world outside for many months of the year.
As it is, the majority of my folding knives have to live indoors for a certain portion of the year.

 

[Hashishiin]

You probably aren't picturing just how thick my gloves are.
My hands still end up freezing, but not quite as quickly as if I wear the "normal" thickness ones I see others wearing.

If I had more cash, I'd avoid the world outside for many months of the year.
As it is, the majority of my folding knives have to live indoors for a certain portion of the year.

You know the generic big grey gloves? Those were what I was referring to. Possible, but hard. Perhaps yours are thicker, thoug.

Haha, I feel the same way. We want to go get a place that is a bit more isolated and has a bit more freedo from people as it were, where we can be a bit more self sufficient. I guess that's why I'm puttingm ore stock int fixed blades lately, got myself a nice 3V Puukko and a Buck 119 which should serve me years....

 

[stillshot2]

but not any of the ones I own that have a compression lock.

I am well aware of this thing you call winter! In fact I just dug out the thickest gloves I own that I used to snowboard and snowmobile with and I could hardly even open my paramilitary 2 or endura with them on, but closing both knives with my thumb was not a problem. Try moving the compression lock over with your thumb like my post above, you may find you like closing it this way.
In fact, getting out such heavy gloves to try and use my pm2 with only made me further appreciate the compression lock in design and function.

 

[Riz!]

…but a PM2 XL it is not.

Not sure how you can say that…

It literally dumped everything that made it a military and adopted everything that a PM 2 has.

The only difference is the length.

I always tried to like the PM2. I owned them before I tried a Military. I sold them because I wanted a longer knife and didnt much like the compression lock’s little tab.

Now that the PM2 features are available in the “military 2” and the lock tab is bigger, I’m considering it

 

[King of the Cheese]

Not sure how you can say that…

It literally dumped everything that made it a military and adopted everything that a PM 2 has.

The only difference is the length.

I always tried to like the PM2. I owned them before I tried a Military. I sold them because I wanted a longer knife and didnt much like the compression lock’s little tab.

Now that the PM2 features are available in the “military 2” and the lock tab is bigger, I’m considering it

They’re subtle differences but they’re there.

The military is long and slender… the PM2 a little wider and shorter, the para 3 shorter and wider yet, proportionally speaking of course. In other words, the PM2 isn’t a shrunken version of the military, and the para 3 isn’t a shrunken pm2. They’re each their own product line.

So technically it’s just a compression lock put on a military, nothing to do with enlarging a PM2.

 

[Hashishiin]

They’re subtle differences but they’re there.

The military is long and slender… the PM2 a little wider and shorter, the para 3 shorter and wider yet, proportionally speaking of course. In other words, the PM2 isn’t a shrunken version of the military, and the para 3 isn’t a shrunken pm2. They’re each their own product line.

So technically it’s just a compression lock put on a military, nothing to do with enlarging a PM2.

This is exactly what I was thinking. They each have their own distinct blade-handle ratio, as well as how obtuse or acute the blade is.

Not sure how you can say that…

It literally dumped everything that made it a military and adopted everything that a PM 2 has.

The only difference is the length.

I always tried to like the PM2. I owned them before I tried a Military. I sold them because I wanted a longer knife and didnt much like the compression lock’s little tab.

Now that the PM2 features are available in the “military 2” and the lock tab is bigger, I’m considering it

What, in your opinion, made it a Military? The front-facing liner lock? Small little choil? What does the original have that this does not? Its like the Sage 1 vs the Sage 5, dude.

Now, the knife will be easier to open in whichever method I choose, same blade shape so I know I can use it like a normal Millie, just with an improved lock. I am just wanting your reasons, not asking you to defend your position or anything.

 

[stillshot2]

PM2XL or not it doesn't really matter as in the end it's its own knife with its own proportions and features, but what really intrigued me was in the knifecenter video Eric hinted the price was going to be a little lower on this new Military. I wonder how

 

[Riz!]

Pretty sure I explained my reasons.

Sage series are all identically shaped, less the lock.

Manix 2 vs 2xl are not exact but expanded versions of each other

Who says the PM series would have to be exactly the same just blown up versions?

 

[stabman]

I am well aware of this thing you call winter! In fact I just dug out the thickest gloves I own that I used to snowboard and snowmobile with and I could hardly even open my paramilitary 2 or endura with them on, but closing both knives with my thumb was not a problem. Try moving the compression lock over with your thumb like my post above, you may find you like closing it this way.
In fact, getting out such heavy gloves to try and use my pm2 with only made me further appreciate the compression lock in design and function.

I usually use my thumb for closing most locks.

With my thickest gloves, I could not close the Yojimbo 2, the Szabo, or the Superhawk.
With thick (but less thick than those!) gloves, I could get those knives' locks to disengage with some difficulty. I could do it, but it was annoying.

There are frame-lock knives I own that are not fun with thick gloves, and some liner locks too. The cut-out for lock access on the original Military makes it easy.

Maybe they have accomplished that with the Military 2 as well...I'll be interested to see one in person to find out if that is the case.

 

[King of the Cheese]

I usually use my thumb for closing most locks.

With my thickest gloves, I could not close the Yojimbo 2, the Szabo, or the Superhawk.
With thick (but less thick than those!) gloves, I could get those knives' locks to disengage with some difficulty. I could do it, but it was annoying.

There are frame-lock knives I own that are not fun with thick gloves, and some liner locks too. The cut-out for lock access on the original Military makes it easy.

Maybe they have accomplished that with the Military 2 as well...I'll be interested to see one in person to find out if that is the case.

It isn’t just the liner lock. The way the pocket clip sits on the original is preferable for me. For massive knives like the military, I prefer the tip down “back of scales snug against back of pocket” configuration, and I like the massive pocket clip. For me, the military didn’t need to be made more like the other more “EDC type knives. It was perfect the way it was. Quick access, easy to disengage with gloves. I hope they don’t discontinue the original just to make the “2”.

 

[Hashishiin]

It isn’t just the liner lock. The way the pocket clip sits on the original is preferable for me. For massive knives like the military, I prefer the tip down “back of scales snug against back of pocket” configuration, and I like the massive pocket clip. For me, the military didn’t need to be made more like the other more “EDC type knives. It was perfect the way it was. Quick access, easy to disengage with gloves. I hope they don’t discontinue the original just to make the “2”.

I just did not care for the switched clip, on the PM2, to switch it. The one time I switched clips was for a wave feature. I like them the normal way, as well. For my uses, "heavy" gloves can work it just fine.

Oh, Sal has specifically stated they will NOT be discontinuing the Millie and they will run concurrently. I have an original 440V Military and it has such smooth action, like its on bearings.

 

[So many red n black boxes]

I wish they would have made the Millie 2 a back lock instead of just making a larger PM2.

 

[cabfrank]

Take a look at the Stretch XL. I think you'll like it.

 

[King of the Cheese]

Take a look at the Stretch XL. I think you'll like it.

If they made a stretch XL in k390 and possibly G10? Ooooooo man that would be a masterpiece

 

[yablanowitz]

I wish they would have made the Millie 2 a back lock instead of just making a larger PM2.

They are following their market. Forums have been clamoring for a comp lock Military for years, and "the customer is always right". Of course, the forums clamored for a sheepsfoot Ladybug until Sal gave them one, and he ended up blowing them out at a loss just to get rid of them.

The Strech XL is very nice, but considerably thinner blade stock than the Military. I like it, but it isn't for everyone. The Police4 is currently my "back lock Millie".

 

[Hashishiin]

Take a look at the Stretch XL. I think you'll like it.

I consider that to be like a backlock PM2/Millie, for the Stretch/XL.
EDIT: just saw the comment above that you were replying to.

The Military 2 has the blade shape of the Military, not the PM2, so I don't get all the PM2 XL remarks. Does the lock, or the blade make the knife,, and who says?

They are following their market. Forums have been clamoring for a comp lock Military for years, and "the customer is always right". Of course, the forums clamored for a sheepsfoot Ladybug until Sal gave them one, and he ended up blowing them out at a loss just to get rid of them.

The Strech XL is very nice, but considerably thinner blade stock than the Military. I like it, but it isn't for everyone. The Police4 is currently my "back lock Millie".

So the Polce 4 is significantly thicker than the Stretch XL? I've been looking to get a large backlock Spyderco, other than an Endura, and am debating between a Police, Stretch XL, and Native Chief. And yeah, it's crazy how some sprints are site-breaking, but some... like, I woke up to make sure I got two M4 Dodos this last drop, and to my knowledge, they're still online. Hell, people were selling them on Ebay for double the price for a while, that surprised me.

Surprises me about the Ladybug, too. Wanted K390 and wanted the cheapest one I could get, but went with a Dragonfly simply because they had it in a Wharncliffe profile.

Now I need to make a thread "I would really like a Reverse-S Military 2"

 

[Yo Mama]

If they made a stretch XL in k390 and possibly G10? Ooooooo man that would be a masterpiece

I like your new avatar!