If a knife is very expensive you will choose to buy fake?

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Czechmate said:
The money spent on a fake 0777 could've been used towards a real one.


The dictionary definition gave some insight as to what I've overlooked before; fakes can never attain this:

pres·tige (pr-stzh, -stj)
n.
1. The level of respect at which one is regarded by others; standing.
2. A person's high standing among others; honor or esteem.
3. Widely recognized prominence, distinction, or importance: a position of prestige in diplomatic circles.
4. Reputation or influence arising from success, achievement, rank, or other favorable attributes.
5. Distinction or reputation attaching to a person or thing and thus possessing a cachet for others.
6. Having or showing success, rank, wealth, etc.: a prestige car.


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and as I said before prestige is a fictional value we place upon goods. It truly doesnt exist but in our own mind. And I dont buy anything to impress anyone. You may but thats your thing. If you want to believe an item is worth more than its intended value then that is a trait you place upon it, not one that truly exists. Much of your idea of applying prestige to a tangible item and the lack thereof in my replica is your opinion. Which can not be proven or disproven. YOU dont feel the product I purchased has the ability to have prestige. For you and buyers like you then yes your "rule" applies. To me and others like me it does not. Because I can find "value" prestigious. I can look at my well performing replica and find prestige in it because I was able to satisfy my own needs and basic requirements and i receive just as much joy from my purchase as you would from the real ZT. Would I enjoy a real zt 0777? Yes. And because I like my replica so much I just might get one if the oportunity should arise. But it probably wont for which my purchase fills that void just fine. And yes the money spent on it could have went to a 0777. If I could find one and had another $400 on hand or more. But I fail to see your point. Any purchase I make that money could have be applied to another purchase and vice versa but it comes down to choices and what works for me. Again many assumptions in this thread and opinions pushed as fact. Someone who buys a 20 dollar gerber could use that money one a $200 knife of any make but that doesnt mean he needs to, wants to or has to. So again, not really sure what your getting at with that very obvious statement.

p.s. why divert my questions about the fakes you encountered? You say your not an expert in fakes and make a dig at me while dodging my questions. You may not be an expert in fakes but you did feel confident in your abilities to judge them as being less than desirable quality. Which is why I asked what the knives were made of as to ascertain whether these were high quality knives known to exist, sub par clones of which most of us arent speaking or maybe you were mistaken?
 
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steff27 said:
Why not buy a Benchmade Adamas instead? Or a lightly used ZT, ...
These knives will perform at least as good as the fake strider.

That's why I don't buy the "I want the performance of the real but can't afford it, thus I'll buy the fake" argument. Because for every price point for a fake knife, you can buy a high quality knife from a reputable manufacturer.
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Because some peoples buying motives when regarding knives are based on aesthetics. Or certain features of that particular design. For which other knives wont fill that void. If someone were to just be looking to buy a cutting tool then yes other options than a replica would appear to be a viable option. But lets take the ZT replica for instance that I bought. I didnt buy it because I NEEDED another cutting tool with a certain amount of performance. I bought it because I have a soft spot for bearing pivot flipper folders. I wanted a genuine ZT 0777 but they were not available anymore. No one has a preorder slot and if I could find one they are pricey, and i wouldnt want to use it. I have other bearing flippers. Quite a few actually. But I liked the idea of a knife that had a bearing pivot of needle bearings in a washer instead of ball bearings. I wanted to experience a knife with a sub frame lock (of which is not the intellectual property of ZT its been done before) and the materials, reputed fit and finish and price all fell into line with the powers that be and I bought one and I like it. And im no more a douche for buying it that any number of Microtech enthusiasts. Because if the ethics of the maker are truly the factor to judge ones purchase and quality of the person then the dilemma pollutes more than just chinese knife manufacturing. In other words could I have bought another knife? yes. But would it have any of the features that prompted me to want to buy another knife in the first place? No. I wanted that knife. I bought that knife. And no other knife currently made and accessible at that time or since that time would have prompted a purchase from me.
 
Those who laugh at J-7 the fighter even didn't know the purchase of 15 in number by the US government in 1982.

Lots of those who blame copied knives sometimes know nothing about the knives they blame.
 
Yep. Funny thing is, most folks who have actually purchased and used the higher-end knockoffs generally have good things to say about them. Those folks are, of course, the ONLY ones who can speak with any authority about the actual quality of the knives. And in the final analysis, it's the quality of the knives that most interests me.
 
bld522 said:
Yep. Funny thing is, most folks who have actually purchased and used the higher-end knockoffs generally have good things to say about them. Those folks are, of course, the ONLY ones who can speak with any authority about the actual quality of the knives. And in the final analysis, it's the quality of the knives that most interests me.
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Ill tell you it sucks though man. Because even though ive had over 5 years on this forum and countless posts helping people out and people seeking my advice I can certainly guarantee that my reputation just took the equivalent to laying on a grenade. And those who repected my opinion probably dont feel that my opinion is now valid anymore. But lets not mistake me telling the truth with what I want to say. I love USA made knives. Id love to say that everything in china sucks. And to BUY MERICAN. But I try to always speak on any topic from that of an informed perspective. And I wont say something is for sure good or bad without experiencing it first hand. If the clone I bought was garbage Id say it. But Im not going to lie because of pride. Thats worse IMHO.
 
Well as far as I'm concerned, more power to you. You spoke the truth as you see it. And in this thread, that took a lot of courage. If anything, I'm probably more of a pariah than you are because not only am I willing to consider buying a knockoff, I don't even feel obligated to buy exclusively American-made originals. But then I expressed my opinion about all that earlier in this thread and there's no reason to repeat myself here. Those who agree with me agree with me. Those who don't don't. And what other people think of me is none of my business.
 
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I'll buy from a foreign company like Mora, Victorinox, Spyderco knives made in China, Japan etc. I absolutely will not buy a fake.
 
skyhorse said:
Keep dreaming,we call it the flying coffin!
[video=youtube;adYMZghZswI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adYMZghZswI[/video]
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I was originally going to go away from this thread wishing I had the 15 minutes of my life back I spent skimming through it. But this video made it all worthwhile. Thanks Skyhorse, laughter is the best medicine!
 
Finedges said:
I was originally going to go away from this thread wishing I had the 15 minutes of my life back I spent skimming through it. But this video made it all worthwhile. Thanks Skyhorse, laughter is the best medicine!
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barbarbarbar2 12 months ago
turkey shoot for US aircrafts

jack99889988 11 months ago
Lol ironicly not, they shot down F4 F104 F105 without loss. F4 during that time consider the world's most advanced plane ever.


—— quoted from the original youtube web page

That's the reason why the US government spent your money on it.
 
waterbeef said:
barbarbarbar2 12 months ago
turkey shoot for US aircrafts

jack99889988 11 months ago
Lol ironicly not, they shot down F4 F104 F105 without loss. F4 during that time consider the world's most advanced plane ever.

That's the reason why the US government spent your money on it.
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waterbeef said:
Those who laugh at J-7 the fighter even didn't know the purchase of 15 in number by the US government in 1982.
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Since this is what, the third time you've told us that irrelevant fact, we are all aware. :rolleyes:

We just don't care, since it's so very, very irrelevant.

If you want to learn a thing or two about the MiG-21 platform's "no losses", have a look at this: ;)

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_243.shtml

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_244.shtml
 
I heard most of the F4, F105, etc losses were from enemy AAA, which was pretty deadly. The F4 had a lot of teething problems... poor AA missiles and no internal gun in the earlier models, etc.

The J7 is hopelessly outdated by now, 1960s technology.
 
Dorito Monk said:
Since this is what, the third time you've told us that irrelevant fact, we are all aware. :rolleyes:

We just don't care, since it's so very, very irrelevant.

If you want to learn a thing or two about the MiG-21 platform's "no losses", have a look at this: ;)

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_243.shtml

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_244.shtml
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I think I was talking about J-7 the chinese counterfeit rather than its original russian model.
MIG-21 fishbed is weaker than some of the early models of J-7.

Irrelevant ? that's what you think.
 
Nevermind, off-topic. Language barrier might be a factor here, intelligence gap might be a bigger one...
 
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HA! never say never! I eat my words!
I replied no to this thread and whaddayaknow...?? A week later I bought a whole bunch of fake knives, fake watches to dress a movie set! I think it'll be in some kind of biker bar scene!
 
Directed at no one in particular.

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I cannot get enough palms on my face.

I don't think we are going to convince anyone of anything or fix any problems with this thread.
 
mr_anderson said:
My name is Jon, and I bought an Mtech once. :barf: Now I don't know how to get rid of it.
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If all else fails, throw it away. :)

unit said:
I don't think we are going to convince anyone of anything or fix any problems with this thread.
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I'm not sure that was ever the point, particularly from the perspective of the OP who, if you remember, asked a simple yes or no question:

Shenny said:
If a knife is very expensive you will choose to buy fake?
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There are a lot more "no" responses than "yes" responses in this thread. So I'd say the nays have it. The rest is merely narrative. :)
 
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