If they're going to retire 15V, Maxamet, and Rex 121, what are they going to replace them with?

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Thats basically every supersteel on the market going extinct. I understand retiring Maxamet but 15V seems like knife companies being allergic to making money.
Apparently 15Vs are very hard to make and not commercially viable anymore. If they have the tools I don't see why they cant just start making them again but I'm no metallurgist.

I know Magnamax is entering the market but thats only 63 hrc and I don't think it even comes close to Maxamet. M398 also feels underwhelming. I don't think I've ever seen a Z-max blade.
 
IMO, these are niche steels that don't have any reasonable real-world use cases and they don't need replacing. Sort of like having a special Corvette that only comes out of the garage for an occasional Sunday drive around town. It's not really useful (other than for collecting).

S90V, S110V have great edge retention and decent toughness and there's lots of models to select from. If you think you really need a knife with better edge retention than S90V, I would suggest you buy a utility knife with switchable blades.

These steels are too hard to machine and process, too hard to sharpen, too brittle for many tasks, too expensive... good riddance IMO.
 
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Hate them so much!

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Let's try to stay on topic and leave off the gifs and memes.

Thank you.
 
IMO, these are niche steels that don't have any reasonable real-world use cases and they don't need replacing. Sort of like having a special Corvette that only comes out of the garage for an occasional Sunday drive around town. It's not really useful (other than for collecting).

S90V, S110V have great edge retention and decent toughness and there's lots of models to select from. If you think you really need a knife with better edge retention than S90V, I would suggest you buy a utility knife with switchable blades.

These steels are too hard to machine and process, too hard to sharpen, too brittle for many tasks, too expensive... good riddance IMO.
I had only even heard of two of the three steels mentioned in the OP, and have never owned any knives made in any of them. But I assume, from the context of the rest of the conversation so far, that is most likely because I buy mostly hand made fixed blade knives that are not made on CNC equipment, and not many handmade knife makers would like working with steels that are this hard to work with.

So, I'm following this thread mostly to learn about steals I had never heard of yet that are being retired. As most of my favorite knives I carry are either CPM154, ATS34, S35VN, and S45VN for stainless, and A2 Tool steel, O1 Tool steel, 52100, 5160, 1095CV, and SK5 for carbon.

I've had one production knife in 20CV, one in S110V, a few in M4, a few in CPM Cruwear, and several in S90V, and while the knives themselves were fine in most cases, the steels themselves never reached star status or became hated in my head. I like my ZT 0350 TS in S30V more than I liked the ZT 308 TS in 20CV I had, but that is due to the size factor not the steel.

I'm curious to hear more about the steels in the OP, and what their attributes and shortcomings were for the people more familiar with them, for future purchases on the secondary market.
 
I'm curious to hear more about the steels in the OP, and what their attributes and shortcomings were for the people more familiar with them, for future purchases on the secondary market.
There are a bunch of long threads on them, worth searching
 
We'll be just fine without those Super Tool Steels. I have used and sharpened 15V extensively and its nothing special besides being easy to sharpen. I simply whittled a stick with my Manix 2 15V BBB and it chipped the blade to hell. I had to completely reprofile. I have not used REX 121 but I expect its toughness is terrible as well. Somebody mentioned S90V, which is my favorite steel, as readily available with many makers. I fully agree. In my use, I have observed the somewhat fragile S90V way outperform 15V in toughness and it its STAINLESS to boot. These hard ass tool steels have limited applications in real life. Magnacut is my second favorite steel. It's much tougher than any of these steels mentioned. Magnamax is supposed to be better. I think we'll be fine.
 
Yeah Z-Max would be the best replacement. The next closest would be K390 at high hardness and it's easier to get.
 
I'm going in the opposite direction...

Magnamax is just now hitting the market and probably won't be seen, for awhile. Yes, there are limited makers using it, other than Spyderco making a run of Mule Team knives, anyone else?

No other "super steel" is in danger of being written off. All of them started out for tooling. Magncut and Max are probably the only ones, that started out, as steels for knives.

We now return you, to your regularly scheduled program.
 
I'm going in the opposite direction...

Magnamax is just now hitting the market and probably won't be seen, for awhile. Yes, there are limited makers using it, other than Spyderco making a run of Mule Team knives, anyone else?

No other "super steel" is in danger of being written off. All of them started out for tooling. Magncut and Max are probably the only ones, that started out, as steels for knives.

We now return you, to your regularly scheduled program.
navman navman is using magnamax 😊😉
 
navman navman is using magnamax 😊😉
quite a few custom fellas and even guardian tactical in an otf is using it. more and more every week it seems....not a bad thing either. choices are rarely ever a bad thing. I trust my makers to pick best steels for the knives they make.
 
Maxamet is made by Carpenter isn’t it? I can understand the Crucible stuff going away.
 
15V was made by Crucible Industries LLC, who went out of business. They weren't "allergic to making money", they simply weren't making enough profit to stay in business. Their IP was purchased by a European company who does not yet have the ability to produce 15v. They are also are not "allergic to making money".

In every industry, slow or small volume sellers are frequently discontinued to free up manufacturing space for things that actually sell and make the company profit. Again, not "allergic to making money".
 
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