If you believe knives arent just for cutting... this threads for you(TIP STRENGTH)

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We all know knives have to cut to be considered a knife, but there's more to knives than just cutting, like ability to take damage in harsh conditions, but most important to me, knives that keep their tip without breaking (TIP STRENGTH) which I feel is totally left out the equation when talking about knives and knife steels, I dont know about others, but i like a knife Im not scared its tip is gonna chip off if i need to use it to puncture something. So do you have a knife/or knife steel thats really good and under-rated because its not one of the famous "long lasting edge retention steels"? I do... My Cold Steel Carbon V Recon Tanto, let's hear yours!
 
My Entrek Javalina definitely fits your description. It's only 440C, but performs very well and is built like a tank. I'd have no qualms about using it even under the harshest of circumstances.
 
In my experience, chisel ground blades tend to have strong tips while V ground blades have weaker ones.

Tanto tips and the tips of clip point blades also seem to be stronger than other blade styles.

The tips of my CQC-7s and CQC-9s stood up to puncturing aluminum cans and frequent scoring of plastic and wood, as well as light prying.

In comparison, I experienced tip damage on my Mini Socom and Manix 2 from even lighter tasks than these.
 
Not my cup of tea, but you may want to check out a Graham Razel, or one of the CRKT Razel models.
 
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Ontario m9
and my friends Cold steel recon tanto San Mai III.
These both have virtually indestructible tip
 
I regularly stab trees and open paint cans with my Kershaw Leek, thing's a beast ;)
 
dahkholiday said:
... i like a knife Im not scared its tip is gonna chip off if i need to use it to puncture something. So do you have a knife/or knife steel thats really good and under-rated because its not one of the famous "long lasting edge retention steels"? ...
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Do I ever! When I puncture, I rely on the Marcinek Survival IcePicinator. Never broke a tip. Not made of one of them "knife snob steels"!

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fatheadhill said:
My Entrek Javalina definitely fits your description. It's only 440C, but performs very well and is built like a tank. I'd have no qualms about using it even under the harshest of circumstances.
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Cool man, Thats a nice blade I checked it out
 
My emersons are plenty strong for my needs. Doesn't matter the model the tip is always designed so its sturdy. Not what you would consider a super steel, but I've never hurt one doing plenty of things a knife "shouldn't" do :)
 
You can't go wrong with an Esee. Their combination of Rowen forged 1095, geometry, and general hard use design makes them near indestructible even when abused. And, if you do break it, they have the best warranty in the business. No matter how you broke it, they will replace it no questions asked.
 
It's always a compromise when you want a tool to do everything. I expect a knife to cut, not pry. I broke a tip in a tree when I was a kid, and learned my lesson then.

Marcinek, does the Icepicinator come in a tactical carbon fiber/unobtanium combo?
 
marcinek said:
Do I ever! When I puncture, I rely on the Marcinek Survival IcePicinator. Never broke a tip. Not made of one of them "knife snob steels"!

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Okay hold up, gotta address the comedians, Who feel the need to post jokes that would have a kindergardener throwing tomatoes at them. look man we'd have pizza slicers in are hands if knives were just for cutting, but knives have points for a reason. Im an owner of many knives Strider to sebenza But when you own alot of these and actually use'em you find strengths aswell as week points, most people are satisfied with a good egde, but those who agree that a knife has to be able not only to cut but thrust, wanna make sure their knives can stab as well as they slice, but see theres so many fanboys out that there, that dont actually use their knives but for cutting paper and cardboard, and if the job gets tough.. manila rope, that metals that are actually good dont get spoken about no more, metals become "irrelevant" like my friend up there with a 440c Steel blade, that youre average fan boy would say is trash if you asked for their genius advice. I own highend knives with top steels and I own the knives fanboys overnight enthusiast wouldnt use, out perform the $400+ knives in certain areas. Thanks for those with the positive stuff keep it coming
 
Stelth said:
Just curious: What do you need to puncture?
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To each his own some people hard plastic, to some people they need a durable knife they can drop and not worry if the tip is chipped, to some people...people, people with thick clothing even soft body armor, Im sure you get the picture. Best answer I can give to the scorners is this, with a glock youre unlikey to have to deal with the kinda damage that thing can take, and i mean rarley, but why do people like'em, cause its good to know that even tho youre not gonna have a shootout with a shark or rolling in the mud taking out a army of alligators with out your gun jamming or lose your gun in the freezer, its good to know that it can do all those things, and takes away that second guessing you have with other guns, hope thats the last negative comment i have to answer
 
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asdf12345 said:
In my experience, chisel ground blades tend to have strong tips while V ground blades have weaker ones.

Tanto tips and the tips of clip point blades also seem to be stronger than other blade styles.

The tips of my CQC-7s and CQC-9s stood up to puncturing aluminum cans and frequent scoring of plastic and wood, as well as light prying.

In comparison, I experienced tip damage on my Mini Socom and Manix 2 from even lighter tasks than these.
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I do appreciate that it's in your experience that these things are true, however as devils advocate i have to respectfully bring a couple points up that i disagree with on these statements. Tanto points are strong yes... mostly because they are usually so obtuse an angle that they are just thick all the way up to within 1/2" of the tip, but they offer very few advantages and more than a few disadvantages over other tips and I personally am not a fan of the "american tanto" style tips unless i need to scrape paint or stickers off something with them. Clip points are fine, but compared to the tip of a drop point or spear point they are less strong due to the fact there is just more steel backing up the tip (assuming both points start at the same distance from the tip of course) an arch will always be stronger than a straight line of similar angles... which brings me to the last part i have questions on... the Chisel ground portion of this statement. Any strength improvements gained by a chisel grind are most likely due to the thicker angle they are ground at rather than that they are only ground on one side. I cannot see how a blade ground 40 degrees on one side would have any advantage in strength over one that has been ground at 20 degrees per side. As always i could be wrong, so by all means don't take this as gospel. I just don't believe there are many advantages of chisel grinds and tanto tips on a knife designed to be used for most tasks you would use a knife for.
 
CarterR said:
My emersons are plenty strong for my needs. Doesn't matter the model the tip is always designed so its sturdy. Not what you would consider a super steel, but I've never hurt one doing plenty of things a knife "shouldn't" do :)
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See and thats what i consider bad ass "not considered a super steel" but Someone who actually uses knives can say otherwise, right on man
 
I have only broken knife tips when doing stupid things, and I like thin tips as I do a lot of finer work with them. Some of my favorite knives for hard-use are what many people would consider more fragile than old china. I guess it's all in the wrist, or something.
 
dahkholiday said:
To each his own some people hard plastic, to some people they need a durable knife they drop and not worry if the tip is chipped, to some people...people, people with thick clothing even soft body armor, Im sure you get the picture. Best answer I can give to the scorners is this, with a glock youre unlikey to have to deal with the kinda damage that thing can take, and i mean rarley, but why do people like'em, cause its good to know that even tho youre not gonna have a shootout with a shark or rolling in the mud taking out a army of alligators with out your gun jamming or lose your gun in the freezer, its good to know that it can do all those things, and takes away that second guessing you have with other guns, hope thats the last negative comment i have to answer
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You consider my question a "negative comment"? You must be very sensitive.
 
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