If you believe knives arent just for cutting... this threads for you(TIP STRENGTH)

[timbo813]

I cannot see how a blade ground 40 degrees on one side would have any advantage in strength over one that has been ground at 20 degrees per side. As always i could be wrong, so by all means don't take this as gospel. I just don't believe there are many advantages of chisel grinds and tanto tips on a knife designed to be used for most tasks you would use a knife for.

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I think the stronger tip would have more to do with how thick the blade is than the type of grind. For certain tasks chisel grind might be better but for general EDC I would think V grind or convex would be better and just as strong.

 

[pvicenzi]

Proper Tool for the job.

 

[dahkholiday]

You consider my question a "negative comment"? You must be very sensitive.

In thread where I wanna hear people experiences, and i have to answer comedians and sarcasm, instead of replying the people giving their input on stuff, i was referring to "my negitive comment" my man, Who's really the sensitive one? its cool man if youre question was genuine, that wasnt to you, but for the others that start their trolling with smart ass questions that ones directed to you

 

[orezona]

Proper Tool for the job.

THIS.

If I need to pry something, I tend to use my Leatherman Wave or SuperTool. Or if I need to tighten/loosen a screw, or any other manner of duties I wouldn't subject my regular EDC blade to.

That said, I do really like a good drop point for "tough" tasks. A less brittle steel is probably better too, so it's less likely to snap? Not sure. I've never broken the tip off any knife.

 

[dr_fosg8]

Hinderer spanto or just about any Emerson, cqc-7 or a bulldog would be the most stout for tip strength. Of course there are lots of knives out there with thicker tips.

 

[dahkholiday]

To anyone else, I'd love to hear your "glock of the knive world" stories, the things you put your knife through purposely or accidentally and how it held up, and the knife used, Thanks. To get'er started I acquired this little chisel ground Newt livesay 1095 tanto around $40-$50 bux and was gonna test it out tip strength, been driving it through anything moderately tough and still that point is skin popping sharp, I'd say theres something to that chisel grind, along with that tanto tip, I'd say thats a good choice for the bros that dont wanna shell out the dollars

 

[Tripton]

You can't go wrong with an Esee. Their combination of Rowen forged 1095, geometry, and general hard use design makes them near indestructible even when abused. And, if you do break it, they have the best warranty in the business. No matter how you broke it, they will replace it no questions asked.

They are not forged.

 

[marcinek]

Okay hold up, gotta address the comedians, Who feel the need to post jokes that would have a kindergardener throwing tomatoes at them. look man we'd have pizza slicers in are hands if knives were just for cutting, but knives have points for a reason. Im an owner of many knives Strider to sebenza But when you own alot of these and actually use'em you find strengths aswell as week points, most people are satisfied with a good egde, but those who agree that a knife has to be able not only to cut but thrust, wanna make sure their knives can stab as well as they slice, but see theres so many fanboys out that there, that dont actually use their knives but for cutting paper and cardboard, and if the job gets tough.. manila rope, that metals that are actually good dont get spoken about no more, metals become "irrelevant" like my friend up there with a 440c Steel blade, that youre average fan boy would say is trash if you asked for their genius advice. I own highend knives with top steels and I own the knives fanboys overnight enthusiast wouldnt use, out perform the $400+ knives in certain areas. Thanks for those with the positive stuff keep it coming

- But pizza slicers dont cut everything. That claim makes no sense. Make a fuzz stick and slice an orange with a pizza cutter.
- Guess what, Son of Boris, you arent the only one here who uses knives.
- Good to see you got off quickly to name calling and assumptions. Why waste time?
- They dont? Time to read more post, less.

You are off to a stellar start, son. Enjoy your puncturing.

 

[dahkholiday]

- But pizza slicers dont cut everything. That claim makes no sense. Make a fuzz stick and slice an orange with a pizza cutter.
- Guess what, Son of Boris, you arent the only one here who uses knives.
- Good to see you got off quickly to name calling and assumptions. Why waste time?
- They dont? Time to read more post, less.

You are off to a stellar start, son. Enjoy your puncturing.

There you go man, thanks for stopping by

 

[Fanglekai]

The only thing I pierce is aluminum beer cans to make an air hole. Slipjoints tend to be excellent for this because they pierce the metal very easily. Never had a tip break or even come close to getting damaged while doing this. Knives with a thicker tip are very bad at this task.

 

[killgar]

I used this knife for several years working a shipping dock. I pried open many wooden packing crates with it, never broke the tip.

For a few years now I've been using it for construction jobs. Sometimes when I'm inspecting old houses to see how much work needs to be done, I'll use the tip of the knife to stab/chop holes in drywall to see what's behind it. I will also use the tip to stab/chip away at wood framework etc to check rot and termite damage.

I don't know where such tasks are on the "knife abuse" scale, and I don't care.

The blade is almost 1/4" thick, D2 steel.

Dahkholiday, here's a piece of unsolicited advice- If you don't like what someone posts in your thread, you can always ignore those posts or choose not to respond to them. There are LOTS of members on this forum, so when you start a thread you are bound to get some jokes and smart-ass remarks, don't take them personally. That's the nature of an internet forum. Just roll with it. There's no need to derail your own thread by picking fights with people who post things you don't like.

 

[asdf12345]

I do appreciate that it's in your experience that these things are true, however as devils advocate i have to respectfully bring a couple points up that i disagree with on these statements. Tanto points are strong yes... mostly because they are usually so obtuse an angle that they are just thick all the way up to within 1/2" of the tip, but they offer very few advantages and more than a few disadvantages over other tips and I personally am not a fan of the "american tanto" style tips unless i need to scrape paint or stickers off something with them. Clip points are fine, but compared to the tip of a drop point or spear point they are less strong due to the fact there is just more steel backing up the tip (assuming both points start at the same distance from the tip of course) an arch will always be stronger than a straight line of similar angles... which brings me to the last part i have questions on... the Chisel ground portion of this statement. Any strength improvements gained by a chisel grind are most likely due to the thicker angle they are ground at rather than that they are only ground on one side. I cannot see how a blade ground 40 degrees on one side would have any advantage in strength over one that has been ground at 20 degrees per side. As always i could be wrong, so by all means don't take this as gospel. I just don't believe there are many advantages of chisel grinds and tanto tips on a knife designed to be used for most tasks you would use a knife for.

The topic is about tip strength. My tantos indeed do a worse job of cutting than my other blade styles. My chisel ground knives indeed do not cut as cleanly or efficiently as other grinds for most tasks. I still believe that the chisel grind does offer some added strength at the very tip due to the geometry. I used my CQC9, which is a hawkbill no less, to pry metal staples on several occasions with no problem, while the tip of my Manix 2 broke simply from a slight twist while scoring wood.

 

[stabman]

I still believe that the chisel grind does offer some added strength at the very tip due to the geometry. I used my CQC9, which is a hawkbill no less, to pry metal staples on several occasions with no problem, while the tip of my Manix 2 broke simply from a slight twist while scoring wood.

It's a matter of total amount of metal there.
V-grind is no weaker than chisel if the same amount of metal is there.
There is nothing magickal about either grind.

 

[asdf12345]

It's a matter of total amount of metal there.
V-grind is no weaker than chisel if the same amount of metal is there.
There is nothing magickal about either grind.

Now that I think about it, you're correct. Of the knives I have experience with, chisel grinds tend to have more metal at the very tip compared to other grinds using the same blade thickness.

 

[Sikael]

To each his own some people hard plastic, to some people they need a durable knife they can drop and not worry if the tip is chipped, to some people...people, people with thick clothing even soft body armor, Im sure you get the picture. Best answer I can give to the scorners is this, with a glock youre unlikey to have to deal with the kinda damage that thing can take, and i mean rarley, but why do people like'em, cause its good to know that even tho youre not gonna have a shootout with a shark or rolling in the mud taking out a army of alligators with out your gun jamming or lose your gun in the freezer, its good to know that it can do all those things, and takes away that second guessing you have with other guns, hope thats the last negative comment i have to answer

Hope is a lovely thing. I can't believe that post had the benefit of hindsight and editing, yet managed to retain it's wonderfully incoherent essence. 'Army of Alligators'. 'Shootout with a shark'. Praise Jebus someone's living in the real world; BF has been waiting for a bona fide operator-wetwork-blackops-genius, someone who can rid the forum of all the fanboys, send them fleeing in terror, clutching their still-boxed knives.

 

[stabman]

Now that I think about it, you're correct. Of the knives I have experience with, chisel grinds tend to have more metal at the very tip compared to other grinds using the same blade thickness.

Same with some of mine.
Except for the Spyderco Tuff...that thing has so much metal at the tip it just about impedes use as a tip.
It sure won't break, being made of 3V and left super thick, but it also won't help get a splinter out, and penetrates far less efficiently than almost all my other knives.

 

[Tachead01]

They are not forged.

Mr technical here. I realize that. I was using the term loosely to describe making the knife man. Rowen "made".

 

[dahkholiday]

I used this knife for several years working a shipping dock. I pried open many wooden packing crates with it, never broke the tip.

For a few years now I've been using it for construction jobs. Sometimes when I'm inspecting old houses to see how much work needs to be done, I'll use the tip of the knife to stab/chop holes in drywall to see what's behind it. I will also use the tip to stab/chip away at wood framework etc to check rot and termite damage.

I don't know where such tasks are on the "knife abuse" scale, and I don't care.

The blade is almost 1/4" thick, D2 steel.

Dahkholiday, here's a piece of unsolicited advice- If you don't like what someone posts in your thread, you can always ignore those posts or choose not to respond to them. There are LOTS of members on this forum, so when you start a thread you are bound to get some jokes and smart-ass remarks, don't take them personally. That's the nature of an internet forum. Just roll with it. There's no need to derail your own thread by picking fights with people who post things you don't like.

Ey thanks for your post thats the kinda stuff i wanna hear except for the the abuse scale thing, i never said this was a extreme knife tester, so the" i dont care thing was unnecessary" but your first part of your post was excellent man, and appreciate the advice, but nothings taken personal, fights is least of things i wanna do, but I'll tell you something, if theres a a little hostility towards the comedians,its for a reason, too many times have i seen people in threads, people new to knives, or just curious, genuinely wanting to hear share or learn something, then you got these funny guys coming in and ripping these guys to shreds, ridiculing them, posting pictures of icepicks, telling them how they should be using theyre knives, and it starts subtle, then before you know it more guys come in with they're jokes then pretty soon people are scared to post because they dont want to be made fun of, then the actually intresting thread dies because no one had to the balls to tell the troll something, look feel free to have your opinion, i have no problem with that, as you can see i only wrote few negitive comments in the sense theyre off topic to the thread, and brushed off the rest, and already as i type i got a guy tryna pick a fight, but as i said earlier im good, nothing personal, thanks for your concern though

 

[Shotgun]

For piercing I've found the best thing to be the awl on a sak like the one found on the farmer/electrician models. And this opinion comes from actually using my knives. Yep, people on here actually use their knives. That's okay, you're not the first person to say that and you surely wont be the last.

 

[dahkholiday]

Ey killgar nice blade btw, whos the maker of that bad boy?