I'll be Boycotting CRKT

I will not condemn a company based upon some cost saving moves on some models. CRKT still have some very good knives (The M16-O1T for example) that I think are worth owning. As far as I am concerned it is easy to avoid the knives that are made from materials that are not acceptable to me.
 
My distributor just stocked CRKT Lightfoot's M1 in desert tan.... blade steel? AUS-8. My only complaint? No plain edge.

Just wanted to calm some of the hysteria...:p
 
AUS8, AUS4 and 420J2 the performance differences for any daily chores are negligible. One has alittle more this and the other a little more or less that. No biggie, the rc is still about the same and the edge geometry is still the same so they will perform alike. I'm sure CRKY does what it can to get as many knives out there to people who want a decent knife for little money. Can't fault that really.
 
I can't see spending any money on CRKT. I try to buy knives made here. I will use knives made in Japan if I don't have anything else. I know it is a dream, but one day all of my knives will be made in America.
 
It would be kickass to have all American made knives but it's too costly to offer them to customers for reasonable prices. Benchmade and other companies are lucky in that they've been at it so long and have their own facilities. However, new companies have to go thru American sources and they in comparisson to over seas operations are far more expensive. Heck, all people need to work, rich, poor, middle class, American, Taiwanese, Japanese, everyone. I just look at it as keeping someone at work putting food on their table. Whether here or over seas.
 
Gollnick said:
A business that puts ANYTHING ahead of profit save legality is a business that won't be in business very long.
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Lots of them do.

Successful businesses don't (and never have) take pride in their product line; they take pride in their bottom line... after all that's what makes payroll.
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This depends on how you define success, not everyone does it only by the amount of money they clear at the end of the year.

-Cliff
 
Joe Talmadge said:
Don't tell me the new American-made Carson-lock series is right around the corner! :)
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And I'll be buying them! I love my Carson designed CRKT M16-13 with AUS8. I own products from two knife companies, Benchmade and Carson design CRKT.
 
Gollnick said:
ROTF LOL!

No, I don't remember those days... and I doubt that anyone else does either because I doubt there ever were such days in general....
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I remember those days. They did exist. How young are you kid?

Gollnick said:
.......But don't expect businesses to do things because of some sense of pride. Successful businesses don't (and never have) take pride in their product line; they take pride in their bottom line... after all that's what makes payroll.
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Yes they have. I worked for one and they were in business for 30 years only to leave the community as the owners retired.

Again, how young are you kid?

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For me there has only been one company. Benchmade. I loved them when they had no red class. A good old American company doing the right thing with good parts.

Now their red class is a joke.

I wish I could find [ONE] company that makes everything here and has no interest in making a kind of "red class". Just a company that makes damn good knives and will not skimp. I thought Buck used to be that company but not anymore either.

I have never liked CRKT period. They always seem to be using just "average" stuff. Not interested.
 
Copper Crayon said:
I wish I could find [ONE] company that makes everything here and has no interest in making a kind of "red class". Just a company that makes damn good knives and will not skimp.
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Ask and ye shall receive. Chris Reeve Knives
 
Copper Crayon said:
I wish I could find [ONE] company that makes everything here and has no interest in making a kind of "red class". Just a company that makes damn good knives and will not skimp. I thought Buck used to be that company but not anymore either.
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Here's two:
Busse, Swamprat.
There might be others.
Or go to a custom maker.

Edit: oh yeah, CRK, Strider. . .

Probably more, just cant think right now.
 
CRKT has actually made decent strides in separate areas, the wild weasel and I think it's the voodoo, come to mind. Good deals still also.

I don't like the toning down of steels.

I'm pretty experienced with the AUS steels and none of them are impressive (haven't tried 4 or 10 yet though, to be fair). AUS8 is acceptable in edge retention, but just barely.

Also, these are the only steels I use that have a problem with chipping.

I still love my two (chipped) CRKT folders and carry them pretty often.

Not buying the new models is the right way to go, though I wouldn't be upset about it. Hopefully, if their sales figures differ in a negative way, they'll return to somewhat high end stuff. Wish they'd follow Kershaw's example, which, in my opinion, is really taking the fight to Benchmade and Spyderco lately.

Can't have everything. I really want to see more diversity in CRKT's line up. Spyderco makes a dozen knives I want, though I may not like them more than the M16 or some Benchmades, but the truth is, Spyderco just offers more knives I'm interested in.
 
CRK's are some of the best knives! And yes, all done here. But you also jump a couple hundred dollars for it. That said, I have owned many and will own many more CRK's but, there are many out there that refuse because of the price.
 
m16 alum handles are o/k in my book but i bought a new crawford folder because it felt so good and was sure it had to be made out of at least aus6 or 8 and found out it was 420j2 and traded it off at the show with some cash for a spydie w/vg10
 
I would rather have Benchmade, CRKT, Kershaw, etc making cheapo knives than generic companies that rip off legitimate products. i don't see anything wrong with a company appealing to a wider demographic.
I think it's silly to boycott CRKT cause their worse line got worse. Especially since their quality stuff is the same. And don't pull any of that "They discontinued my fav..." BS. Benchmade has dropped quite a few of people's top choices and I doubt many people will boycott them.
-KC
 
I will still support CRKT through the years- their diverse product line (past and present), excellent customer service and accesable price range make them the working class knifemakers of choice in my mind. Anyways too much is made of blade material. You loose edge holding but gain in ease of sharpening, and a plus for many knife USERS if that the lower cost knives are often tougher than more expensive brittle steels. How many times has there been a report that a chip/ ding or whatever is a problem with the new wonder steel of the day (ex. CPM S30v), when a low cost 420J2 would have been a more appropriate choice due to its resistance to breakage. This, in the end, may actually help the manufacturer as it will get a better reputation within the hard use blue collar world as buddy tells all of his friends how he has abused his knife and it still has not broke. I'm not saying that there is no place for high end steels, as I am just as anxious to find the perfect steel as the next guy, but there is a place for all steels in the knife world- they just have to find their niche.

Just to let you all know- of the 200 or so knives that I have around 30 of them are CRKT- the most of any company in my collection.
 
I agree with CUTS LIKE A KRIS. I always say too big if a deal is made of the kind of steel.

I would bet the metalurgists at any said knife company know more about steel than most of us do. We just look at people's reviews on different forums and go by tests which are sometimes unrealistic.
 
Should be at least 440A, but with common buyers prying, etc, 420J2 is what they want. (some knife users can't even tell what a sharp edge is)
 
GarageBoy said:
...but with common buyers prying, etc, 420J2 is what they want.
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They don't really want any particular steel. Whatever steel a knife that they can afford comes with is fine by them.
 
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