sheathmaker
Custom Leather Sheaths
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Okay, Kevin and Cliff. It is a known fact that Kyle spent considerable time on more than one occasion in Ron's shop working and studying as it were with him. He could have been and most probably was exposed to design concepts similar to or exactly like the drawing. Now, as Kevin stated in one of his earlier posts he/we/anyone can see something and it goes from there to our subconscious memory bank. Then at some point in the future it pops up again, And we don't remember just where it came from, but it's there. This could very well have happened when Kyle came up with the round handle idea versus the coffin handle. It could have been an idea grown from his association with, and in Ron's shop.
Those of you practically demanding to see photo of the 1998 knife….It might be handy and nice and serve to stick it in your ear, but Ron doesn't owe any of us anything along those lines, and to infer that it is only a drawing of questionable date and origin is pretty much the same as calling Ron a liar, which I'm sure was not your intention…..was it?
Now I certainly don't think that Kevin or Kyle copied the drawing to obtain their design, but as mentioned Kyle's exposure to Ron's way of doing things might well be a factor. Pull up the thread Kevin linked where he asked for input for the design of his unique knife. My conclusion was and yours could be that instead of "his" design, it wound up being the compilation of many ideas input by several top makers and collectors. Particularly the transition from coffin to round handle which was contributed by Kyle and could have easily been the sub conscious result of Shop time with Ron.
The handle on Kevin's knife is the real tie breaker and I think my take on it's origin is plausible. Not exact as the drawing but as close as sub conscious memory could bring back, still not realizing exactly where it came from, hence NOT an overt attempt to copy.
I don't think Kevin and Kyle copied Ron knowingly, and I sure don't think Ron copied them based on 1997/98 proof.
I further think this whole thread is a damned shame for the potential damage it may have done to friendships and relationships some of which may be beyond repair.
As I see it, neither party suffered any real damage as a result of the act……..not sure as to the results from the thread.
Paul
Those of you practically demanding to see photo of the 1998 knife….It might be handy and nice and serve to stick it in your ear, but Ron doesn't owe any of us anything along those lines, and to infer that it is only a drawing of questionable date and origin is pretty much the same as calling Ron a liar, which I'm sure was not your intention…..was it?
Now I certainly don't think that Kevin or Kyle copied the drawing to obtain their design, but as mentioned Kyle's exposure to Ron's way of doing things might well be a factor. Pull up the thread Kevin linked where he asked for input for the design of his unique knife. My conclusion was and yours could be that instead of "his" design, it wound up being the compilation of many ideas input by several top makers and collectors. Particularly the transition from coffin to round handle which was contributed by Kyle and could have easily been the sub conscious result of Shop time with Ron.
The handle on Kevin's knife is the real tie breaker and I think my take on it's origin is plausible. Not exact as the drawing but as close as sub conscious memory could bring back, still not realizing exactly where it came from, hence NOT an overt attempt to copy.
I don't think Kevin and Kyle copied Ron knowingly, and I sure don't think Ron copied them based on 1997/98 proof.
I further think this whole thread is a damned shame for the potential damage it may have done to friendships and relationships some of which may be beyond repair.
As I see it, neither party suffered any real damage as a result of the act……..not sure as to the results from the thread.
Paul
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