IMPORTANT: New Classifieds Section, and the For Sale Forums

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I think it is a good idea! Couple bucks to sell a knife is a deal. What is it going to be called and where will it be linked in the system? Just to clarify the 'one model' thing.... Listing EACH of those blades in the same add is okay because they are all same model BM with different features? Or listing any ONE of those knives in ONE add is okay?

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Shawn

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I just knew somebody would get defensive...

The insertion prices are less, AND if you don't sell you don't pay any commission....

Since we're speculating...

If you put a $100 knife up, you may sell it for more, if it is desireable. Then the commission price come out of the profits...

Now instead of trading more will be selling...

As for the operating costs...

Is that T1 connection for 1 Stop Knife, or is it just for BladeForum?

Is there a seperate server for BladeForum, or is it part of 1 Stop?

What I'm asking is; would you incur these costs if you didn't have BladeForum?


 
Well the software looks very nice.The cost is pretty fair,but I think there will be a decline in the f/s and trade postings which is inevitable.Change is sometimes a hard thing,I still like the old set-up and thought overall things where working fine 99% of the time.I don't begrudge anybody making money off of this thing,especially since it is very costly to run.However; No offense to Spark or Mike but we seem to be gradually gravitating towards members paying for a service that was promised we would never be charged in exchange for the service.Let me emphasize again,I don't blame anybody for going to this charge per ad,like I said the price is very reasonable.I just have mixed feelings about the whole thing that one day we are talking about a problem with a couple of posters posing as a member but they are dealers,abusing the system and than boom everybody gets penalized to pay.I realize also that some things can't be helped,but there are alot of people without credit cards for a number of reasons
and can't just go and "get one"It seems unfair that they,including long standing members will be left out.Well I guess thats all I have to say.Thanks,Ralph
 
looks like this pretty much ends my "deep discount" sale postings, as many of them were at or near a loss. I'm not going to pay to give things away.


I see a trend here, but wonder if I am the only one.

1.dealers urged to purchase banner advertizing, given a deadline, so as if they do not have an ad, they cannot post sales.

2.dealers re-up, or like me get a banner ad for the first time so they can sell here.

3.just after the banner ad sign-up, 1sks takes form.

4.smoke clears

5.banner advertizers now lead to purchase 6 months of ads at a time, when previously it could be done monthly.

6.classifieds take form

7.now am paying for banner for some traffic, and classifieds to sell.

8.now everybody pays.

9.tone of BF management seeming harsh.

10.?

anyone else?, I like this place, I just don't know.

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An excellent solution. The rates are very reasonable.

My only suggestion is to make finer categories. One problem with the existing for sale forum is that if you're looking for something specific, you've got to wade through hundereds of postings most of which have wonderful titles such as "Knife for sale." Duh! It's the knives for sale forum.

If, for example, you look in the classified ads of most any larger newspaper, you won't find "Cars for Sale." You'll finde separate headings for each make.

So, I'd suggest some more detailed categories.

Otherwise, I think this is a great idea. Good job guys.

I still can't believe that there are knife dealers, makers, and manufacturers who don't take you guys up on banner ads.



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If you don't have a credit card take a look at X.COM you can open an account with them and fund it with an e-check from your regular checking account. There are no charges and you get a visa atm that you can use. It's actually a pretty good bank with good services.
 
Well, I knew there would be some kind of fall out... I'll try to answer these all as best as I can.

C4 - The dealers get to keep their forum for an additional 2 months because they helped support this site through banner advertising, and many of them signed up for it strictly because the dealer forum was for advertisers only. As such, we are obligated to give them more time to get ready for the switch over and make preparations.

As far as being better than anyone else, I find that sentiment amusing. Currently the dealers have to pay for advertising to be able to sell in the dealer forum. It's been that way for since the beginning of May. If anything, it's my opininion that we were a bit unfair in making them shoulder the brunt of keeping this site open, something that the classifieds have now changed. Now, you pay as you go - the more knives you sell, the more you help contribute to keep this site open. You get to help put something back into the community you get so much out of for free.

Emanym - You had it right the first time. We'd prefer if the ads were limited to one model... that is, it's ok to have variations of the same model (plain, combo edge, black, satin), but please don't post 40 different knives in the same ad. We're not going to shove that down anyone's throat though...

Savitar - You need to read the fine print a bit closer, my friend. That $2 insertion fee is non-refundable whether or not the item actually sells. Regarding making more profit on an auction, guess what, you can make less as well. That's the nature of an auction, you win some and you lose some. You can do the same thing with a classified ad as well, for example, "One of a knife, will sell for $100 or best offer"

As for your other specultion, I'll answer that in a bit.

TOMBSTONE - You bring up some very good points, and I agree with many of them. I wholeheartedly agree that if we made the forums only for paying customers, while many would pay, a great deal more would not, and would simply leave. That is very counter-productive to forming a good community, I think we'll both agree.

Mike and I thought long and hard about this, and again, we tried to find the least painful way to do this, and make it as fair as possible. That's why the prices are as low as they are (significantly lower than any newspaper or knife magazine), because we don't want to make this any more of an inconvenience than it has to be. By bringing together the buyer and the seller, we are providing a service, something that I don't think $1.00 is too much to ask for.... and we both agree the prices are extremely reasonable.

Cumberland - Remember the old Kennedy and Lincoln "Conspiracy or Coincidence?" arguments? Don't put too much into a trend, not that much of this was planned. Otherwise it'd be better organzied.

If we just wanted to take advantage of everyone, we wouldn't have bothered to make the announcements, personal's, and wanted categories free to use. We wouldn't be giving a 2 week grace period in the Individual / Custom forums, or a 2 month grace period in the Dealers forum. We wouldn't be charging a measely $1.49 for first time customers, and $1.00 for repeat buyers.

Regarding the multiple inquiries about 1SKS, let me clue you guys in on something I'm not sure if Mike want's me to tell you - if it wasn't for 1SKS, BladeForums.com would have closed up shop in February. We wouldn't be here right now. You wouldn't be learning about knives, or chatting about the latest design, or selling your collection, or having huge sales. You'd be elsewhere, until they couldn't keep it open anymore either.

To me, this is the best solution we can use to keep things on a fair and even keel. It doesn't penalize anyone any more than anyone else, and it rewards those who sell more than once. It has tons of new features that make things easier, and guess what? It's not at all expensive - less than anywhere else out there - period.

Dealers aren't forced to buy banners anymore to advertise their knives. John, if you think about it, the $50 per month you paid for a banner would cause you to lose money too; you don't see the cost immediately, but it's still there. Think about it.... This way, there's a nice simple direct cost per ad, and once you've made up for that, it takes care of everything else. It's just another way to meet the same ends.

However, if any dealer wants to cancel their banners after August, Mike and I will work something out with you. It's not like we're hard to work with, after all.

Chuck - Yeah, tell me about it, it's a steal all the way around, but what are you going to do. Regarding the multiple categories... if there is enough traffic for it, we will eventually move to seperate listings for the most popular makes / models / makers.

Tom - GREAT POINT!!! I didn't even think about that.... well folks, now you don't have an excuse not to - you can use debit cards and still be squared away.

This will work guys. We are going to make it work.

Mike and I are going to be promoting this, and other (soon to come) features heavily. As a matter of fact, check your next BladeMagazine for some information on just how we are going to do that. But we're going to make this work for you guys, and we can't keep paying all of the expenses involved with it. We've found the most reasonable method possible, and if that won't work, we'll try something else, but I think you need to give it a chance before you make any decisions.

Spark

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If it is that much trouble to have a nice place to go swap knive and lies and meet new people who have the same interests that I do, then I guess we will have to all go to Knife Forums instead.

There are lots of auction sites that get more traffic than Blade Forums. Blade Forums was more like a family than a place to buy and sell knives.

You can go to Yahoo and set up a "CLUB" and do everything that was done here for free
or like I said before go back and deal on Knife Forums

If I want an auction site, I go to Blade Auctions or one of the other auction sites.

If I wanted to deal,swap,trade, meet new people, discuss knives I came here.

While I can understand the reasoning behind the change, it seems a great loss to everyone who came here for everything that the site had originally offered.

If you want a commercial site, why not just charge everyone a membership fee of $25.00 a year and forget about everything else and let it be a free for all. You will make more money that way.

All you will succeed in doing is drive away the good members sending them back to Knife Forums where it will be like this place used to be.

Get real, most members here are members of Knife Forums anyway.

Guess what will happen????

ChuckG
 
Hey guys,

How about starting a e-group,list-bot digest mail account, guess what they're free, we could post to the listserver, and it would mail a digest to everyone subscribed each day.
No more looking for a specific URL, no more costly T1 connections....

 
Savitar, go for it... nothing is holding you back.... beware the hidden costs though, like having a full inbox from all the emails.

Best of luck to you, I sincerely hope that whatever you try succeeds.

Spark

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Savitar - You need to read the fine print a bit closer, my friend. That $2 insertion fee is non-refundable whether or not the item actually sells.
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Are you saying the $1.49 will be refunded if the knife didn't sell?

I didn't think so....

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Also you may want to look at how much doesn't sell on these auction sites...
There's a lot of what's called "sniping" just to get in at the last minute.

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How about answering my other speculation?
 
not my point spark.

now i will be paying 50/month for the banner and additional monies for ads, whereas before I got it all for the price of just the banner alone.

another interesting point was made earlier by someone else though. certainly there are more sites on the server than just BF

1sks of course
camillus ?
rekat ?
888knivesrus ? (did a whois.net search on that one...shame on you guys)

I think the following will happen

many dealers will post fewer sales, and at a greater price

some will discontinue banners

many will bite the bullet and ride along until something else comes along

most members won't care, they are here for talk, not business anyway.

but...who knows...and it was just about time for me to renew my banners too...thinking, thinking.

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No, but your point about the other auction site being cheaper was dead wrong. Sorry, but thems the facts.

As for sniping, again, it's apples to apples, oranges to oranges...

Regarding your other speculation, I don't see what it has to do with this thread. Care to explain further? I mean, I fail to see just where you are coming from, or your motivations...

Spark

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Kevin Jon Schlossberg
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Ok, I'll play a while longer,

quote from Mike Turber:
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Just a heads up on the operating costs here.
The server's T-1 is about $800 a month and the rack space is another $400 or so including the loop charge and other server stuff. This does not include the cost of the server itself.
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My original question:

As for the operating costs...

Is that T1 connection for 1 Stop Knife, or is it just for BladeForum?

Is there a seperate server for BladeForum, or is it part of 1 Stop?

What I'm asking is; would you incur these costs if you didn't have BladeForum?

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That's what I'm asking about "friend"

You seem to be a bit defensive here....

But you're so quick to praise others that agree with you...
That's not very open minded....
 
John, you are wrong, yet again....

888KnivesRus is owned by Danny Ridenhour, we just registered his site for him. Call him and see in the morning... though your comment was good for a laugh.

Camillus is hosted by another company. We just built their website for them. Check it out with your WHOIS... you should see that pretty clearly.

REKAT is hosted by us, yes, along with Outdoor Edge, Busse Combat, and a couple others. None of that has any bearing on having BladeForums.com pay for itself - we didn't get a T1 line for the other sites, let me tell you. I've got the log files to prove it.

We register a lot of websites, over 170 at the last count, more than a few of them being knife related. It's part of the business.

If you don't want a banner ad anymore, please let us know and we'll work something out. Last thing we want to do is have an unhappy customer.

As for paying more, think of it this way - now you'll have customers who are instantly notified if you post an ad for something they want. They can keep tabs on your ad, and ad it to their checklist. You can have truly private communication with anyone who responds to ads. You see just how many times your ad is viewed. You can upload pictures to it at will, have increased visibility at will, all for an extremely low price.

There are opportunities everywhere. It's up to you to make the most of them.

The banner ads get someone's attention after they are done reading a thread. Nothing's changed. The For Sale posts get them interested in something specific. They are two seperate, yet equally important traffic generating tools. It's up to you to make the most of them.

I will tell you this though - if the only thing you have going is price, then you won't do as well as you could. It's a fact that's been proven over and over again. You aren't the first to think that having the lowest prices means you'll get more, and you won't be the last. But you can't expect to succeed on price alone.

This is just the cost of doing business.

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Savitar...when they started charging dealaers, I thought that was crappy (no im not a dealer). I guess after having thought it over, it actually turned out to not be such a bad thing. Things did get a little heated when that was going on, but it seems to have worked out ok. Now, they are going to start charging for selling personal knives, and BTW, Spark, you seem to be doing this much better than the last time
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I guess I never realized, or never wanted to acknowledge how much this site costs to run. If it will cost me a dollar or a buck and a half to list a knife I want to sell, then whats the big deal? I cant imagine anything cheaper. Even going to a gunshow to sell it would cost ya about 7 bucks admission. So a buck an ad to support this site is very reasonable. If you dont like it, dont list anything...simple huh? You know, I have never put a dollar value on what I get from this site. Now, I buy all the knife rags...about 12 bucks a month +/- a dollar. For what? A bunch of rosy reviews of advertisers knives. The useful info I get from them is very minimal, and anymore I just buy them for the pictures. But here at Bladeforums, I get so much more for free. EVERY DAY there is new and useful info...just like a free online magazine, only with much more interesting stuff. If I bought a Magazine everyday at 4 bucks a pop, thats 120 bucks a month. So, I think for a site thats just like getting a new and great magazine delivered everyday for FREE!!! then 1.50 for listing a knife is more than a fair trade. And, it also takes some of the burden off of Mikes checking account, and the dealers dont have to pay all the rest. Anyways...end of sermon
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Savitar, you'll have to pardon me, but you seem to be on the offense for no obvious reason. When you make barbed accusations and pointed comments, that does put me on the defense. It's the nature of life.

1SKS isn't on the same server as BladeForums.com. A simple WHOIS check or ping will show you that. BladeForums.com uses fully 50% of the T-1 line we have. That's a lot of traffic for a site that doesn't make any money.

Don't forget that there are costs for the manhours it takes to keep this site open, working, and the customer support we provide. The fact is that this site is requiring more and more resources, and not generating much in the way of return income, not even enough to pay for itself.

Finally, 1SKS is keeping this site open right now. It's kept it open since February, free for you to chat with everyone. If it wasn't for 1SKS, you wouldn't have made those knife sales when you signed up.

So, if you aren't willing to help support the site you've sold a number of knives through, what does that say? Think about it.

It's after 3 here... I'm going home and going to sleep... I guess the rest of the flames will have to be fought tomorrow....

Spark

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[This message has been edited by Spark (edited 05-24-2000).]
 
we've had this arguement before. You know...Spark, we haven't gotten along since day 1, and you probably don't even know about it. You guys have a little too much arrogance going on here for me. I just like making money, so do you, so go make some, and we'll just leave each other alone.


 
I'm making accusations? EXCUUUSE MEEEE!

Wow, no one can accuse you of being anti-semantic!

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What I was getting at, is that..(accusation comming) you guys are saying things that may be misconstrued...
Like Mike's comment about the costs looked like it was the cost of putting Blade forum online...But it wasn't was it... just a little stretch...

All I said originally, it is a sad thing that a nice hobby group should end up like everything on the 'net, a money making venture...

Squeeze 'em...

BTW: I never sold anything here, My ad generated a trade that resulted in me adding another hundred to the deal...
 
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