In honor of the other Hinderer thread...

Sharp & Fiery said:
The thing for me is that why run M390 on the low side if S35VN (CRK and RHK use) is great on the low end of HT. Why not use M390 to it’s optimal hardness and brand it as a “cutting machine?”

To me it’s a choice of pleasing the masses with sub-optimal HT choice on a steel that could perform very well at a higher HRC. 🤷🏼‍♂️
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Well, think of it this way. Warning labels. We all know why products have them. It's the same reason why a lot of these tactical knife manufacturers and designers design them with thicker blades, and run their steels softer. You just know some dude is going to try to pry a car door open with the thing, or some other such nonsense. Sure, a great many people who buy these types of knives won't do that, but well, they have to make design and execution decisions that take the other type of user into account. It's either that, or run their knives at a higher Rockwell with a thinner grind, then have to be replacing blades left and right when customers buy into their "TOUGH SPECWAR FIRST RESPONDER HELL YEAH" marketing, and try to do something dumb with it. I think they've done the best they could.

It's rather like how modern car makers really dial back the power their engines could theoretically make, because they don't want leadfoot idiots blowing their $15,000 motor and blaming the company.
 
Sharp & Fiery said:
The thing for me is that why run M390 on the low side if S35VN (CRK and RHK use) is great on the low end of HT. Why not use M390 to it’s optimal hardness and brand it as a “cutting machine?”

To me it’s a choice of pleasing the masses with sub-optimal HT choice on a steel that could perform very well at a higher HRC. 🤷🏼‍♂️
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That's exactly what the forbidden event was about. The question of why use a steel not to it's full potential as opposed to one treated to its full potential? Maximize what you're using or use something more geared towards that use.

But like you said it's about pleasing the masses. Whether that's what should be done or not it's his choice, but that doesn't change the fact it may not be the best use of the materials chosen.
 
Quiet said:
Well, think of it this way. Warning labels. We all know why products have them. It's the same reason why a lot of these tactical knife manufacturers and designers design them with thicker blades, and run their steels softer. You just know some dude is going to try to pry a car door open with the thing, or some other such nonsense. Sure, a great many people who buy these types of knives won't do that, but well, they have to make design and execution decisions that take the other type of user into account. It's either that, or run their knives at a higher Rockwell with a thinner grind, then have to be replacing blades left and right when customers buy into their "TOUGH SPECWAR FIRST RESPONDER HELL YEAH" marketing, and try to do something dumb with it. I think they've done the best they could.

It's rather like how modern car makers really dial back the power their engines could theoretically make, because they don't want leadfoot idiots blowing their $15,000 motor and blaming the company.
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Exactly. So the HT range choice is on purpose. Not optimal, but optimal for the good of RHK.

Edit to add: Which is RHK’s choice. I’m fine with his choice. I think if folks who own and use their RHK’s and are happy, then that is all that matters.
 
I only have two Hinderer's. I really like them and use them a lot.
The top one is a older XM-18 with S35VN and nylon washers and micarta scale.
The other is fullered non flip triway with M390 and bone micarta scale.
The fullered has the best action of all my knives.

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XXL said:
I only have two Hinderer's. I really like them and use them a lot.
The top one is a older XM-18 with S35VN and nylon washers and micarta scale.
The other is fullered non flip triway with M390 and bone micarta scale.
The fullered has the best action of all my knives.

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Love that bone micarta scale. That is a good looking knife.
 
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I’ve wanted to try a no-choil, non-flipper skinny on PB washers for a long while now, however, finding that in Canada has proven to be quite challenging.
 
ferider said:
Never even seen such a thing unless the flipper was taken off DIY. But then, I've not kept upto date on new releases in the last 2 years.
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Maybe that’s why I can’t find one!!! 🤣😂🤣😂
 
I find that myself included have wanted the "hot steel" of the moment whether or not it was the best choice for that knife and/or usage. Obviously every knife maker has to make a decision on what they think is best for their knives and/or market. I am also not a hard use user even though I bought a number of hard use knives a few years ago, I like to use the right tool for the right job, which is why I own too many tools and knives.
 
Quiet said:
Appreciate the heads up! I had a look, but was ultimately able to score the combo I really wanted (blue on blue) from an offer made to one of the Hinderer dealers on the Bay. This is a heck of a way to go into the weekend! Something tells me this guy's going to be a keeper.
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Excellent! Yeah hopefully you were able to score one of the tri-ways, the older models had detents that you could shake the blade out on. Not a dealbreaker but the newer gen has a noticeably stronger detent.
 
Landshark99 said:
I find that myself included have wanted the "hot steel" of the moment whether or not it was the best choice for that knife and/or usage. Obviously every knife maker has to make a decision on what they think is best for their knives and/or market. I am also not a hard use user even though I bought a number of hard use knives a few years ago, I like to use the right tool for the right job, which is why I own too many tools and knives.
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Yep. And yep. Choices are good. I sleep better knowing they are there, waiting to be put into service. :cool:

(Like my firearms.)
 
Paratrooper06 said:
Excellent! Yeah hopefully you were able to score one of the tri-ways, the older models had detents that you could shake the blade out on. Not a dealbreaker but the newer gen has a noticeably stronger detent.
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Yessir, this one is a Spanto from one of the runs this year, and I was able to see the little Tri-way logo down on the tang of the blade. Pretty stoked about this one, I'd forgotten about them until you'd mentioned it. I now remember that ChazzyP ChazzyP really enjoys his as well, so definitely going to be a fun mail call next week!
 
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