in terms of strength, who wins. choice A, or B?

LMFAO!!!

This one post is more hilarious than all the posts that the OP has 'contributed' to this thread. :D :p

Thomas W said:
Oh come on now, up we go, wipe those tears, repeat after me...

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I don't know what the OP is smoking, but aus8 doesn't even come close in edge retention as my vg10 or s30v blades. I find the tri ad lock is really annoying to operate. Playing my with CS voyager for a couple minutes leaves an indent in my thumb that lasts 10 minutes.
 
Viper2 said:
Wow, some people must be trying to cut through iron with their knives. :rolleyes:
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Nope. I'm a mechanic at a dealership. I cut through plastic, wiring, rubber hose, paper, and carboard on a daily basis. Aus8 in my cold steel and sog flash 1 have not held an edge as long as my spyderco with vg10 or my kershaw with s30v. If I want to cut through metal, I have access to a hacksaw, airhammer, cut off wheel etc.
 
Viper2 said:
Wow, some people must be trying to cut through iron with their knives. :rolleyes:
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Assuming AUS8A is roughly equivalent to 440C, according to Crucible, 154CM offers 20% greater edge retention than 440C. S30V offers 45% greater edge retention.
 
I want to see a little less opinion and a little more fact, between the two companies actual products, and not the materials or marketing! ZT makes an awsome product the fit and finish is half-n-half though, Ive heard stories on both sides, but the strength is there, it is a very strong *framelock* thats a key word, a framelock will never beat the lockback that Cold Steel offers. I

f were talking about materials or fit and finish ZT wins but if you want to even remotely compare the overall strength Cold Steel will beat ZT with a stick untill it falls apart from sheer exhaustion, they brag about their strength so they are required by their claims to make their products just as strong as they claim, maybe more

Is the fit and finish lacking in Cold Steel? Yes, but am I wrong in saying that they make up for it with the low price on their products (I'm only talking about the Tri-Ad lock versions), and even if the materials are also lacking (which they are) they are definatly as strong as they proclaim.

But in my opinion, I would love to own a ZT, I have handled many and sharpened many but never owned :) I do own many Cold Steels though, and the fit-n-finish is lacking, but they be some strong hunks of steel XD
 
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I'm sure the tri-ad is very strong and is stronger than a framelock, but I'd like to see someone make a vid like this with a tri-ad. Just for giggles, you know.

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bladeboss said:
i dont want your opinions!? who in the hell do you think you are talking on this thread like im not going to see it. i have tons of knives. i have one freaking cold steel knife. ok? its great. i AM A FANBOY. i love talking about it. youre obviously a fanboy of ZT. am i bashing you? didnt think so. i do research, and a freaking monkey could tell you that a framelock versus a bar jamming in behind the blade, sucks. that framelock could bend over like crazy if used wrong. a tri-ad-lock aing going nowhere. its called physics. learn it. am im telling you right now that a framelock isnt going to withstand hundreds of pounds. that big divot carved out of the blade is a freaking weak point. it will bend.
oh, and i dont get angry when people dont agree, i get angry when people like you come on here and post your opinion. your opinion is great. all of that extre crp you had to throw in there bashing me isnt. im sorry i dont wanna spend 400 dollars on a peice of steel thats sharp. 400 dollars can get me much better crap.
cold steel kicks ass, at a fraction of that.
so, sir, YOURE OPINION ISNT WORTH IT
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singularity35 said:
I'm sure the tri-ad is very strong and is stronger than a framelock, but I'd like to see someone make a vid like this with a tri-ad. Just for giggles, you know.

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This video is all prying, which is more a test of handle strength and pivot strength than lock. I had a tip broken off of my SRM 710 once, and for fun, decided to do some destructive prying tests to see how it would do. I would bet that it could do everything they showed in the video. Eventually I had it on a clamp and just pried real hard to see if I could break the pivot, and the blade snapped.

Basically, I bet a CS knife could do all that, although I am not surprised the ZT could.

Both are probably constructed good enough that if you aren't stupid they won't break on you. Can we just leave it at that?
 
I hate to stir things up but I'm pretty sure that a recon 1s tip would break before the zt. I have had both and the zt has a very bulbous tip, the CS is hollow ground and the tip is considerably thinner. I'm not one to care much about tip strength and i don't pry with my knives but i thought i would point that out. Thanks for posting that vid S35.
 
seelow123 said:
I hate to stir things up but I'm pretty sure that a recon 1s tip would break before the zt. I have had both and the zt has a very bulbous tip, the CS is hollow ground and the tip is considerably thinner. I'm not one to care much about tip strength and i don't pry with my knives but i thought i would point that out. Thanks for posting that vid S35.
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I dont think youre stirring anything up. you have a right to your opinion.
And that video IS awesome.
 
bladeboss said:
To be dead honest with you all....
i want a ZT now...
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Get in touch with kershawguy, he has ZT 0350 blems for usually around $85. Otherwise they run about $110 so truthfully, they aren't too expensive. The 0350 lacks the solid pivot screw featured in the 030X series but it is a much more affordable and pocketable alternative. And believe me, they feel as solid as you could ever want.
 
res1cue said:
This video is all prying, which is more a test of handle strength and pivot strength than lock. I had a tip broken off of my SRM 710 once, and for fun, decided to do some destructive prying tests to see how it would do. I would bet that it could do everything they showed in the video. Eventually I had it on a clamp and just pried real hard to see if I could break the pivot, and the blade snapped.

Basically, I bet a CS knife could do all that, although I am not surprised the ZT could.

Both are probably constructed good enough that if you aren't stupid they won't break on you. Can we just leave it at that?
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Yep, as I mentioned, I believe that the tri-ad is a stronger lock than a framelock. Demko mentioned that no framelock can hold more than 150 pounds and still be intact after. In the same post, I think he said over 200 pounds will explode a framelock.

I too think a CS can handle that kind of abuse nevertheless it would be fun and educational(especially to non-believers) to see a lawman or a recon 1 do that.

bladeboss said:
To be dead honest with you all....
i want a ZT now...
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You won't regret it either BB. It's worth a try.
 
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