in terms of strength, who wins. choice A, or B?

Shotgun said:
In terms of strength, who chooses a folder?:confused:
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And we have a winner! :D Ladies & gents please tell shotgun what he's won!!!

Here's a better substitute instead of a folder if you're looking for strength :thumbup:

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Tempers can really flare so easily when you are talking via the internet. This is why I really take the time to read over my responses and to word them so that they do not cause that. I don't really consider myself to be politically correct, but I do want my fellow forumite to understand what I am trying to say. Even then it is still hard to convey the message on the internet the same as the intent of the message in your head.

The Triad Lock is a great upgrade in the lockback mechanism, and hats off to Cold Steel for picking it up along with Andrew Demko. I have no doubt that it is one of, if not, the strongest locking knife to date ( except we shouldn't forget the balisong lock ). I also think/know that the liner lock, frame lock are as strong as they need to be when they are built correctly. The liner lock is so easy to duplicate that 1000's of them are out there at very low prices, and are incorrectly built. The angle between the liner and the blade tang must be at a certain degree to have this lock operate as it is intended too. Michael Walker and Bob Terzoula are two makers that realize this and build accordingly, and there are now many, many more maker's, custom and production, that are building liner locks the correct way. Same holds true for the frame lock.

The bottom line is that ANY of these locks are strong enough if you are using the knife correctly.
 
I've owned both, If you get beyond the stupid cold steel videos with them stabbing through doors with their knives they actually aren't bad. However at work some guys are on a cold steel kick so i asked a guy with a recon 1 tanto If his knife could stab through a car dooor then he should use it as a can opener. He got a can from his lunchbox and started sawing away, the edge and the coating on that knife were so screwed afterward he never carried the knife again. Bottom line is all knives have limitatons, If you know there limitations and don't go do stupid things with them like my coworker each should serve you well. I got a zt 0300 at a helluva deal the other day and by far the was the beefiest most bad ass knife i have ever seen, but i had to wear a belt with the knife in my pocket because it was so heavy it pulled my pants down. So i sold it and have no regrets, i have 2 zt 0350s right now and love them, they are solid as a rock and I've done things with them you aren't supposed to do with a folding knife and its still perfect. Plus s30v might not be the greatest steel in the world but I'd take it anyday over aus 8. I will say that if could steel would get a better coating on their blades like spyderco or benchmade or zt, and used a better steel then IMO opinion they would probably be one of the best knifes out there. They have a good thing going with the Tri ad lock, but cutting corners on other things is what drove me away from them.
 
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DemkoKnives said:
for the record, I have never tested a frame lock that held over 235 lbs (4" from the pivot) and these were top of the line heavy duty folders. this may sound good but it not. the knife was 8+ oz. I'd have to look at the video but as I recall the knife would have been unusable after 100-150 lbs. While in contrast ,last week, I tested a Cold Steel "hold out" (4 inch skean dhu) and it went to 300 lbs at 4" from pivot and weighed 4oz. Realize that the strength to weight ratio is different in a folder with thick,thin, wide and narrow blades but you get the idea.
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Shotgun said:
In terms of strength, who chooses a folder?:confused:
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I do. I am not gonna carry a fixed blade around strapped to my belt like I'm Daniel Boone or something. If I'm in the woods hunting then that's another story but not in an urban environment. I carry folders for their convenience and concealability but I also expect them to be reasonably strong. Maybe not strong as a fixed blade but strong enough to get the job done even if it's a tough one. A fixed blade is NOT the answer to every problem concerning carrying a strong knife.
 
vwb563 said:
I do. I am not gonna carry a fixed blade around strapped to my belt like I'm Daniel Boone or something. If I'm in the woods hunting then that's another story but not in an urban environment. I carry folders for their convenience and concealability but I also expect them to be reasonably strong. Maybe not strong as a fixed blade but strong enough to get the job done even if it's a tough one. A fixed blade is NOT the answer to every problem concerning carrying a strong knife.
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Well said and I, for one, highly agree. :D
 
vwb563 said:
I do. I am not gonna carry a fixed blade around strapped to my belt like I'm Daniel Boone or something. If I'm in the woods hunting then that's another story but not in an urban environment. I carry folders for their convenience and concealability but I also expect them to be reasonably strong. Maybe not strong as a fixed blade but strong enough to get the job done even if it's a tough one. A fixed blade is NOT the answer to every problem concerning carrying a strong knife.
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Well said! The "fixed blade as an answer to a strong folder question" guys should really stay out of threads like these. :rolleyes:
 
singularity35 said:
Well said! The "fixed blade as an answer to a strong folder question" guys should really stay out of threads like these. :rolleyes:
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Fixed blade IS the best answer to a strong folder question, but unfortunately, for many people (including myself) oppressive local laws prevent me EDCing one.
 
Just my thoughts...this thread is just plain stupid. General hell at its finest.
 
singularity35 said:
If you write it like that, doesn't it make it an oxymoron?
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No what I was saying was that I agree with you. Even though fixed blades are always stronger, but the fact that pretty dumb laws exist prevent this from being a good answer to "strong folder" threads.
 
singularity35 said:
If you write it like that, doesn't it make it an oxymoron?
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No what I was saying was that I agree with you. Even though fixed blades are always stronger, but the fact that pretty dumb laws exist prevent this from being a good answer to "strong folder" threads.
 
akula83 said:
I cut a ZT in half with my Recon 1, but it did dull the blade a bit.
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Cutting ZTs in half is overrated, I cut sebenzas and grayman duas in half with my mantis knives:cool:

DISCLAIMER: I do not and will not ever own any mantis knives.
 
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