in terms of strength, who wins. choice A, or B?

Viper2 said:
ZT knives may have better fit and finish and slightly better steels, but a folder's locking system is much more important in real world use. The locking system is the actual mechanism of the knife, not just some fancy steel with .0001% greater strength or whatever. The difference between mid and high grade steels is much less important in real world use.

Cold Steel's Tri-Ad Lock is where Cold Steel excels beyond any other folder locking mechanism out there. I am not saying ZT's locking system is not strong, but it is highly doubtful that it's anywhere near the strength of Cold Steel's Tri-Ad locking system. Therefore, that makes Cold Steel folders significantly stronger overall, even though ZT folders might be plenty strong for most uses.

Many of us on this forum may like ZT folders, but I think we have to admit that, "corny" advertising or not and lower-priced or not, Cold Steel simply makes stronger folders.

By the way, I like Cold Steel's demonstration videos of their knives, and I don't think they are corny at all. The videos prove what their knives can do, and that says something about the quality of their knives.
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As a materials and mechanical engineer, I can tell you that what you just posted makes no sense whatsoever. Steel does matter; a lot of effort is devoted to determining and formulating just the right material for each application. If you think the difference between different steels is as low as that made-up percentage, and that the primary consideration for steel in a knife is its tensile strength, then you need to do more reading and less posting here before you spread clearly incorrect information. I don't know where you got the idea that improved edge retention doesn't matter in the "real world," but that is also obviously false. Having to sharpen a knife less is a clear advantage if you're using a knife the way it's meant to be used. Since I've never heard of a ZT lock breaking, and I doubt that's ever happened to you, there is no "real world" advantage to a stronger lock. So the only way that the locking system could be more important than the steel and heat treatment is if you're using your knife as a mallet. I've seen people do a lot of stupid things with knives, but I've never seen that.

bladeboss said:
i just dont understand how any of you would think that ZT has a better lock. its a framelock. FROST knives make framelocks.
cold steel has a tri-ad-lock that has been tested against hundreds of pounds...
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I'm having a hard time believing you're not a troll now... Misinformed is one thing, but that's like saying that a Mercedes is badly designed because a Kia has four wheels, too.
 
mkjellgren said:
Seriously dude with regards to the frost comment, if you want to continue to be seen as a troll keep posting stuff like this. You do know who invented the frame lock right? In case you didn't, it was Chris Reeve, the man responsible for the famed sebenza. Actually its called the Reeve Integral Lock, and the reason frost can use it is because Chris Reeve decided (as Michael Walker did wig the liner lock) not to patent it in order to share his invention with the knife community. Cold Steel has their triad lock patented so no other company can use it. Frost uses the frame lock on some knives because they can, but comparing a frost framelock to one on a zt is just plain ignorant.
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i was comparing the lock. not the company. the tri-ad-lock will crap all over a framelock any day of the week. not saying that cs is better than zt by saying that, just saying that framelocks arent as strong. so, before you go and get mad at me, understand what im saying before you get angry at me. im not a troll just because i speak my damn mind
 
bladeboss said:
i was comparing the lock. not the company. the tri-ad-lock will crap all over a framelock any day of the week. not saying that cs is better than zt by saying that, just saying that framelocks arent as strong. so, before you go and get mad at me, understand what im saying before you get angry at me. im not a troll just because i speak my damn mind
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Do us all a little favor here then and do a little research before you "speak your mind". You may not be a troll in the traditional sense but it is becoming increasingly apparent that you are a huge cs fanboy and considering cs seems to be a bit of a hot button issue, all of these threads seem to be just asking for trouble. Also, as it seems, you start these threads with an idea in your head and claim to want to learn, but whenever anyone says anything that is opposite of your opinion you get all defensive and say things like 50% of us like cold steel better than zt...

This is the last post I will make in any of these threads and I advise many of the rest of you to do the same. It just isn't worth it, bladeboss doesn't want our opinions, he just wants to make sure we all know he loves cold steel. Troll? Maybe not. Fanboy? Absolutely, more so even than the spyderco fanboys... Lay off the kool aid man, and maybe try something that's not made by frost or cold steel and you might realize what some of us are saying. There is more to a lock than its strength. Ease of use, and opening and closing action are easily more important to me than absolute strength. For instance, I believe spyderco's compression lock and benchmade's axis lock are FAR supperior to the triad lock in every single way except absolute breaking point strength. Oh and both the axis lock and compression lock have been tested to "hundreds of pounds" as has any well made frame lock out there.
 
"I spend more money with this company!!"

"NO!!! I SPEND MORE MONEY WITH THIS COMPANY!"
 
Tsujigiri said:
As a materials and mechanical engineer, I can tell you that what you just posted makes no sense whatsoever. Steel does matter; a lot of effort is devoted to determining and formulating just the right material for each application. If you think the difference between different steels is as low as that made-up percentage, and that the primary consideration for steel in a knife is its tensile strength, then you need to do more reading and less posting here before you spread clearly incorrect information. I don't know where you got the idea that improved edge retention doesn't matter in the "real world," but that is also obviously false. Having to sharpen a knife less is a clear advantage if you're using a knife the way it's meant to be used. Since I've never heard of a ZT lock breaking, and I doubt that's ever happened to you, there is no "real world" advantage to a stronger lock. So the only way that the locking system could be more important than the steel and heat treatment is if you're using your knife as a mallet. I've seen people do a lot of stupid things with knives, but I've never seen that.
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Sorry, but your paragraph really amounted to nothing. ZT blades will not hold an edge much better than Cold Steel blades. The difference between the blade steels both companies use makes very little difference in real world applications. Cold Steel's locking system is far superior. Cold Steel makes stronger folders, and they are a much better value than ZT. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.
 
mkjellgren said:
Do us all a little favor here then and do a little research before you "speak your mind". You may not be a troll in the traditional sense but it is becoming increasingly apparent that you are a huge cs fanboy and considering cs seems to be a bit of a hot button issue, all of these threads seem to be just asking for trouble. Also, as it seems, you start these threads with an idea in your head and claim to want to learn, but whenever anyone says anything that is opposite of your opinion you get all defensive and say things like 50% of us like cold steel better than zt...

This is the last post I will make in any of these threads and I advise many of the rest of you to do the same. It just isn't worth it, bladeboss doesn't want our opinions, he just wants to make sure we all know he loves cold steel. Troll? Maybe not. Fanboy? Absolutely, more so even than the spyderco fanboys... Lay off the kool aid man, and maybe try something that's not made by frost or cold steel and you might realize what some of us are saying. There is more to a lock than its strength. Ease of use, and opening and closing action are easily more important to me than absolute strength. For instance, I believe spyderco's compression lock and benchmade's axis lock are FAR supperior to the triad lock in every single way except absolute breaking point strength. Oh and both the axis lock and compression lock have been tested to "hundreds of pounds" as has any well made frame lock out there.
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i dont want your opinions!? who in the hell do you think you are talking on this thread like im not going to see it. i have tons of knives. i have one freaking cold steel knife. ok? its great. i AM A FANBOY. i love talking about it. youre obviously a fanboy of ZT. am i bashing you? didnt think so. i do research, and a freaking monkey could tell you that a framelock versus a bar jamming in behind the blade, sucks. that framelock could bend over like crazy if used wrong. a tri-ad-lock aing going nowhere. its called physics. learn it. am im telling you right now that a framelock isnt going to withstand hundreds of pounds. that big divot carved out of the blade is a freaking weak point. it will bend.
oh, and i dont get angry when people dont agree, i get angry when people like you come on here and post your opinion. your opinion is great. all of that extre crp you had to throw in there bashing me isnt. im sorry i dont wanna spend 400 dollars on a peice of steel thats sharp. 400 dollars can get me much better crap.
cold steel kicks ass, at a fraction of that.
so, sir, YOURE OPINION ISNT WORTH IT
 
Well, you certainly seem like a level headed and well informed gentleman.

bladeboss said:
i dont want your opinions!? who in the hell do you think you are talking on this thread like im not going to see it. i have tons of knives. i have one freaking cold steel knife. ok? its great. i AM A FANBOY. i love talking about it. youre obviously a fanboy of ZT. am i bashing you? didnt think so. i do research, and a freaking monkey could tell you that a framelock versus a bar jamming in behind the blade, sucks. that framelock could bend over like crazy if used wrong. a tri-ad-lock aing going nowhere. its called physics. learn it. am im telling you right now that a framelock isnt going to withstand hundreds of pounds. that big divot carved out of the blade is a freaking weak point. it will bend.
oh, and i dont get angry when people dont agree, i get angry when people like you come on here and post your opinion. your opinion is great. all of that extre crp you had to throw in there bashing me isnt. im sorry i dont wanna spend 400 dollars on a peice of steel thats sharp. 400 dollars can get me much better crap.
cold steel kicks ass, at a fraction of that.
so, sir, YOURE OPINION ISNT WORTH IT
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This thread definitely belongs in W&C. Either that or it needs to be closed.

I wonder how old bladeboss is....
 
VictorKilo said:
With all the thousands of posts about lock strength, you'd think you would see more about stop pin strength, eh?
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If you have an overbuilt stop pin the knife will just fail at the pivot, everything has to be built up equally. That said, it's not like it hurts anything either. I love the solid thumbstud stop pins, you know it won't be getting bent from aggressive flipping any time soon, the contact surface is open so it doesn't collect lint, and the design makes sure that the thumbstuds are out of the way and don't get ground off when I'm sharpening. Perfect!
 
Viper2 said:
Sorry, but your paragraph really amounted to nothing. ZT blades will not hold an edge much better than Cold Steel blades. The difference between the blade steels both companies use makes very little difference in real world applications. Cold Steel's locking system is far superior. Cold Steel makes stronger folders, and they are a much better value than ZT. Sorry, but that's just the way it is.
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Wierd, My ZT holds an edge better than my Cold steels and I have a bottom range ZT
 
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