Incredible custom strider!

Looks like I'm never going to hear anything about the steels used, the heat treating or whether this is actually a laminated / composite blade as represented. Watching RL work on his entirely transparent victimization complex is getting tiresome. So I'm out, too. Y'all have have fun now.

Roger
 
RL said:
steve that is a load of crap...there are over 100,000 members on BF...over 100,000! just because YOU and about 5 other regular, vocal posters here don't like tacticals and striders doesn't mean there aren't THOUSANDS of others here who do. To suggest that I have an agenda or wish to stir up mud is a cop out and cowardly on your part...I simply posted a pic of something that I liked...that's it, that's all. I should not be "terrorized' into thinking that anytime i dare post a tactical or a strider it will degenerate into bashing mick, tactical knife lovers, or calling me a troll (after all i have done for the knife community).

RL
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ok maybe your not a troll. but why don't you post this Strider knife thread on other forums where you know Strider is liked? Why do you post it here where you know it will start shit? Sure seems like an agenda to me.:jerkit:
 
Win Heger said:
The knife itself does not appeal to me but it certainly shows a creative side some might think Mick didn't have.
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That's true. Until I saw this thread I had no idea that Mick had an artistic streak or could forge knives. I've like every piece of his shown in this thread except for (ironically enough) the first one.
 
severedthumbs said:
ok maybe your not a troll. but why don't you post this Strider knife thread on other forums where you know Strider is liked? Why do you post it here where you know it will start shit? Sure seems like an agenda to me.:jerkit:
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He does post STRIDERS and tons of other tactical type knives on many other forums.

He has a right to post freely as he sees fit, as you do, and so does everyone else, as long as it is done in accordance with the forum rules.

Last time I looked, STRIDER KNIVES, and other tactical items were not prohibited from Bladeforums.

He didn't start any shit- he posted a picture of a custom Mick Strider Damascus straight knife knife that I had just received and was planing to bring to a knife show in a few weeks that he is covering as the official show reporter.
(Yes, he asked me if it would be ok to use the pics).

He, RL, was not the only person to whom I send those picture- I have a list of guys who want to be alerted as to which of MICK STRIDER's Damascus knives are available- so they got the pictures, and 3 of them jumped on the knife- I sold it to the first one who responded- to be fair.

So, bearing all this in mind, it certainly does seem like there are others in this thread who may have an agenda.

Regards, Neil
 
All things said, and technical details aside, I really like the design elements of this one and see little problem with someone paying ~$1250 or so for it.

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Bladeandbarrel said:
Whats yours?
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I have no agenda, but I am an authorized Strider dealer. You can see that in my signature line.

I am also a dealer for over 100 custom Knifemakers and other higher end shops, like Chris Reeve Knives.

I will be a Zero Tolerance dealer in a while also. Waiting on my first shipment.

Thanks for asking,

Regards, Neil
 
RogerP said:
Looks like I'm never going to hear anything about the steels used, the heat treating or whether this is actually a laminated / composite blade as represented. Watching RL work on his entirely transparent victimization complex is getting tiresome. So I'm out, too. Y'all have have fun now.

Roger
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Roger,

I’m not Mick and I didn’t stay in a Holiday Inn.

From my experience with damascus and the information Josh gave us, I can deduce the following:

1. The damascus is a carbon steel and pure nickel mixture. Could be anything from 1060 to 1095.
2. It is not a San Mai in any sense. I’m not familiar with the term San Mei.
3. From the knife I can tell that the billet is stacked and forged in one shot.
4. It probably has about 119 layers but may be as high as 143 depending upon how the billet is stacked.
5. The knife probably has a good heat treat or the carbon steel would not be “Black”
6. The knife will get sharp but edge holding will be limited because nickel will not harden.
7. The heat treat at a minimum should be a standard simple carbon steel heat treat.
8. You do not need a big hammer to forge this billet. A 50lb LJ would do just fine.

Disclaimer:

I am not Mick and did not stay in a Holiday Inn last night. The above is my opinion formed on past experiences I have. They are to the best of my knowledge true and correct.
 
From Jim Ferguson's website.

Twisted Nickel Damascus is forged from C-1095 and Nickel 200. The average bar starts out with 250 layers of alternating steel and nickel layered up and flat welded at 2200 degrees Fahrenheit. Our 75 ton hydraulic press sets the weld at this temperature allowing for a very high definition pattern. All bars are normalized and annealed before surface grinding. You can bandsaw, drill, mill or file work the steel in this state. Nickel is a bright finish material, highly corrosion resistant, and will allow you to finish your blades with a very high contrast. You can also hot gun blue or black oxide them for an outstanding look.
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IIRC, his Damascus is pretty but not very high performance.
 
Kohai999 said:
I don't consider your comment to be stupid, necessarily, Keith...just exceedingly frustrating...by the same rationale...why even heat treat it, or sharpen it....at what point is an art knife no longer a knife, and just a piece of art?
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It is the case with many knives that are going to be safe queens, that they are not heat treated, or not sharpened, or have elements that will produce stress risers purposely introduced, or any combination of the above. I personally would never be interested in a knife that was made in those ways, but there are lots of folks that don't have a problem with such knives. Making a blade from pattern welded steel that has a high pure nickel content is not done to produce a high performance knife. It is done for one reason only, to make the knife prettier. Just because you and I believe that even art knives should be designed to work optimally, it is obvious that not everyone shares our position on this.
 
i don't care about the looks, or the price, or the makers reputation as long as the blade can't - for technical reasons - perform as it should. assuming that the bright layers in mr striders own damascus are nickel, i wouldn't pay a cent for such a knife. when it's up for sale, it's close to intentional deception not to mention the poor performance of a knife that looks like excalibur's clone.

don fogg:

"For the brightest contrast pure nickel is often used. I do not recommend it for blade steel. Nickel is a carbon blocker and in the finished billet the soft nickel layers will end up on the edge and affect performance. It is best used in fittings for really high contrast."
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regards,
hans
 
Neil Ostroff said:
I have no agenda, but I am an authorized Strider dealer. You can see that in my signature line.
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One last stab at getting some info:

HEY NEIL - WHAT THE HELL IS "SAN MEI" DAMASCUS?

Arthur - I appreciate your informed deductions.

Roger

PS - Rumors of my departure from this thread seem to have been exaggerated. :p
 
RogerP said:
One last stab at getting some info:

HEY NEIL - WHAT THE HELL IS "SAN MEI" DAMASCUS?

Arthur - I appreciate your informed deductions.

Roger

PS - Rumors of my departure from this thread seem to have been exaggerated. :p
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I doubt we will get any answer about San Mei damascus.
 
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