Incredible custom strider!

josh@STRIDERKNIVES said:
To answer questions about weather or not Mick forged this damascus I can answer yes.About 2 years ago he purchased a well known damascus knife makers tools and everything else in his shop to make damascus and spent the next year learning from him how to make damascus.Then Mick moved everything to his shop and set it up I have the first damascus knife that Mick ever made (about ayear and a half ago). As far as the process goes anyone wondering that can ask Mick himself. Mick will be at blade show to answer any questions and verry much likes talking about knife making and is allways open to share his expierences.(I forgot to addd who the damasscus knife maker is it is Jim Furgerson) I somehow have a feeling that this would come up too.
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thanks a lot, josh!

regards,
hans
 
gator68 said:
If you look at pictures of the knives, some show the spine. One can see these are not "san mai" damascus as most people call it. It looks nice, but not san mai. They don't look forged to shape, the pattern of the damascus isn't distorted, or squeezed to the tip for example.

I think "san mei damascus" is just a name they picked for the product. Perhaps they are not aware of what "san mai" means. The phrase "MAKERS SAN MEI DAMASCUS" is on all of the listings on the TNK website.
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If true that would be very odd indeed. I have to believe that a dealer of Neil's experience would not employ a misleading marketing term that suggests a method of construction not in fact employed. I also have to believe that the representation that it is the maker's damascus is not something that would be erroneously advanced. You would think that the answers would be easily supplied, no? Forging out a laminated blade of these dimensions would indeed be indicative of some advanced forging skills. Why doesn't anyone want to tell us about it?

Josh, Neil, RL?

Roger

PS - RL - still waiting on you to point out how I have characterized people who enjoy Strider knives in any negative way. I don't mean to to overtax you with questions, but since you raised it.... twice... And while you're at it, an answer to Keith's question would be nice, too.
 
gator68 said:
If you look at pictures of the knives, some show the spine. One can see these are not "san mai" damascus as most people call it. It looks nice, but not san mai. They don't look forged to shape, the pattern of the damascus isn't distorted, or squeezed to the tip for example.
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I've seen kitchen knives that have a thin strip of high carbon steel at their edge and wrought iron sides that wrap over the top, so whether it's san mai, san mei, or San Marino, it could still possibly be a composite blade. It doesn't look so, but many things are possible. Could even be three billets of pattern welded steel welded together.

And I've seen "sanmei" used over at the Chinese swords section at forums.swordforum.com, so it's an oft-used term in some circles.
 
me thinks RL is just trolling here. he posts these Strider knife threads here just to start crap. I find it interesting he hasn't posted about this Strider knife that he likes so much on other forums where people actually love Strider knives.
 
Don't know Mick Strider from Mick Rooney. More power to him and the buyer. While the knife is attractive and interesting in a novel way, I wouldn't pay $350 for it, my self-imposed limit for one who's a Social Security check away from eating cat food.

I just want nice looking tools that fit my hands and perform the tasks I do in a state of art way--custom knives. Investing in $4500 knives is good only in prosperous times. Look around, this is the 21 century not the Pollyanna 1950s of Ossie and Harriet. We see Islamic jihadists and their 7-point plan to dominate the world with Sharia law and caliphate rule colluding with the Russian's, who have their eyes on controlling mid-east oil and Israel's warm water ports. We see the West drowning in hedonism and no stomach for confronting Islam, Russia, or China. We see president Obama's solutions in withdrawing America's might from the region and having tea parties with the Ayatollahs, assuring them that America stands for tolerance, no water-boarding, or listening in on their murderous phone plots. A dirty bomb or 2 in major cities or being denied mid-east oil and America is in economic ruin. Yeah, the West is one wakeup from toast, and a market where that $13,000 Big Bear won't be worth a tank of gasoline. All knife markets are on bubbles and as fickle as a capricious whore.

Ken
 
severedthumbs said:
me thinks RL is just trolling here. he posts these Strider knife threads here just to start crap. I find it interesting he hasn't posted about this Strider knife that he likes so much on other forums where people actually love Strider knives.
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eight years...EIGHT YEARS...my plan was in the making for eight years...yes, I joined BF in 1999, made over 1800 posts, did over 10 show reviews with hundreds of pics (and moderated another knife forum for 3 years), bought dozens of knives (and posted pics) so that on Feb 21, 2008 i could post a pic of a Strider knife to knowingly start crap without anyone suspecting me...eight years, the perfect plan and you RUINED IT...man you are good, you are GOOD!

RL
 
LOL:D.

If Mr Cougar is watching, this is for him:

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I give the kittens at least an outside chance. At least Josh was good enough to provide some actually useful information - I am grateful for that.

Roger
 
severedthumbs said:
me thinks RL is just trolling here. he posts these Strider knife threads here just to start crap. I find it interesting he hasn't posted about this Strider knife that he likes so much on other forums where people actually love Strider knives.
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I don't think so. I have different tastes and don't always agree with him, but he just seems to be into the "tactical" genre. It would probably be a safe bet to say that he'd love to own this one and the other one he posted that got moved to the GB&U forum.
 
Keith Montgomery said:
On a knife like that I don't think stress risers are at all important. I doubt it is ever going to be used.
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As knowledgeable and intelligent as you are...that is about the flat-out most ignorant statement I have ever seen you make about a knife as long as I have been here.

Lemme tell you something, Keith...people who have never been to the AKI know very little about what it is about, which I why I started writing up shows in the first place.

The AKI knives are all hardened, and sharpened...until Virgil England started back up, that is.....most are knives first, and art second....otherwise they would be successfully made and sold out of materials like Fimo, or glass..or petrified yams.....and I assure you...they are not. I use the AKI example, because it is ART KNIFE INVITATIONAL....that says something, don't it?

Stress risers ALWAYS matter.....and if you accept what Cobalt says(I do) they occur naturally, in the design and construction of many blades....there is no reason to artificially introduce them....however, there is the matter of choice and artistic license.....BUT...this knife certainly appears to have its' roots in use...even if it was not designed to be used.....so why introduce a "flaw" when it does not need to be there?

If you compare this one to the other examples that Neil showed, it is significantly more "rustic" without the "intentional" marks that pieces like the Winkler displayed....primative meets modern is a thought that comes to mind, and a succesful accomplishment if that was the intent...and if the knife was sold/presented strictly as an "art piece".....would probably not even have posted in the first place....but am not sure that is the case.

Kumbaya, my heinie!!:mad:

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
Although some knives will never be used they should all be built like they where made to use if not they are just props. I am not saying this knife is a prop i do not know
 
Petrified yams? Hmmmm.......those might work as handle material:p
 
Steven, I sure seem to have upset you with my post. Of course you are right that flaws should never be intentionally introduced into a knife design. My comment was based solely on the fact that this knife is never going to be used, so the fact that it has stress risers is not going to be of any consequence. The blade is never going to break.

Though you may consider my comment to be stupid, I would be willing to bet that it is 100% correct.
 
to help with the discussion of San Mai damascus here is the knife and the description of a piece by Brian Lyttle

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"DROP-POINT HUNTER/SKINNER
Blade: San-mai Damascus; 50 layers 01 tool steel & pure Nickel on either side of an 01 tool steel core
Heat-treating: Austenatized in salt; marquenched & tempered in salt
Handle: Nickel silver bolster; 416 stainless steel threaded pommel; stabilized maple burl handle
The blade was constructed this way to be the ultimate Damascus hunter/skinner. With the pure Nickel layers, the knife will always show a vivid contrast, no matter what colour the tool steel layers will turn, as the Nickel will not stain. The exposed core has also been acid etched which shows off the carbides in the tool steel. This blade shows off the beauty of a very flashy Damascus which will always maintain itself, no matter what staining agent it is exposed to. Further, the knife has a threaded tang so that it can be taken apart to be properly serviced should the need arise."

I really need to do another set of images for this knife and show the spine so that the san mai can be well seen.
 
thombrogan said:
I've seen kitchen knives that have a thin strip of high carbon steel at their edge and wrought iron sides that wrap over the top, so whether it's san mai, san mei, or San Marino, it could still possibly be a composite blade. It doesn't look so, but many things are possible. Could even be three billets of pattern welded steel welded together.

And I've seen "sanmei" used over at the Chinese swords section at forums.swordforum.com, so it's an oft-used term in some circles.
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Look at the pattern of the blade, and pictures of the spine. There is no central strip. Just look. "san mai" vs. "san mei" is not a big deal, except perhaps if one is using "san mei" as a trade mark rather than a description of the construction.
 
josh@STRIDERKNIVES said:
To answer questions about weather or not Mick forged this damascus I can answer yes.About 2 years ago he purchased a well known damascus knife makers tools and everything else in his shop to make damascus and spent the next year learning from him how to make damascus.Then Mick moved everything to his shop and set it up I have the first damascus knife that Mick ever made (about ayear and a half ago). As far as the process goes anyone wondering that can ask Mick himself. Mick will be at blade show to answer any questions and verry much likes talking about knife making and is allways open to share his expierences.(I forgot to addd who the damasscus knife maker is it is Jim Furgerson) I somehow have a feeling that this would come up too.
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That explains a lot! Thanks for the info. Jim F. ran twistednickel.com, and made damascus with 1095 and nickel. Mick is making the same stuff? The nickel makes for a very high contrast pattern. Mick had a great teacher. :)
 
Keith Montgomery said:
Steven, I sure seem to have upset you with my post. Of course you are right that flaws should never be intentionally introduced into a knife design........... The blade is never going to break.

Though you may consider my comment to be stupid, I would be willing to bet that it is 100% correct.
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I don't consider your comment to be stupid, necessarily, Keith...just exceedingly frustrating...by the same rationale...why even heat treat it, or sharpen it....at what point is an art knife no longer a knife, and just a piece of art?

The King Tut Dagger may be made of solid gold, but it is sharp enough to cut.

Best Regards,

STeven Garsson
 
gator68 said:
The nickel makes for a very high contrast pattern.
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...cool, but what about HT? lot of assumptions, but IF this is pure nickel and IF this is NOT a san mai blade, then you have some nickel in the cutting edge. use it for chopping, and you'll have a nice saw very soon. well, oh well :confused:

josh?

regards,
hans
 
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