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You don't need permission to NOT like your sebenza, albeit, a modified sebenza..Sell it and get what you like ;)
 
Have you diassembled the knife, cleaned and relubed it, and correctly reassembled it? I would be leery about assessing a knife's smoothness/action, when it's action has been heavily modified, and it arrived with as loose a pivot as yours did. It's possible, that if you didn't do a full reassembly, that a washer got pinched or something, greatly affecting the action. Also, it's very possible that the detent was modified by Vallotton as part of his auto-mod. If you want to feel a Sebenza and do a more accurate review, I'd suggest getting a real, un-modified knife.
 
Everyone has an opinion. Not saying yours is wrong and mine it right. Thats why there are other makers out there. I am not into customs other than a couple Doziers I have and some do not even consider them custom. Some people Love Strider, I feel they are junk based on my experience with them.
To each their own. The sebenza might not be for you and there is nothing wrong with that. Sell it and buy something more to your liking.
If you wanna mod it and give it a "meltdown" treatment, so be it. Its your knife.
 
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The D/A mechanism is held in by a torx screw on the back, so I was able to disassemble it and clean it. I wouldn't assess smoothness without making sure my knife is clean, re-lubed and properly reassembled first, that wouldn't be fair. The pivot is not loose, it was stored that way and the photo was taken before it was tightened.

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It's a pretty smooth knife, I just expected a step up from knives that were made one at a time a decade earlier by hand, especially if one of the major selling points and points of praise for this knife is the smoothness. For what it's worth, all the modern production knives on bearings that I've handled were also smoother.
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Missed the point. Your the one with the modified auto sebenza correct....??? How can you even judge anything about this knife and compare it to a stock one or even customs.....??? Everything on its been modified to make the auto work. Gotta have a stock one in hand to make such comparisons I would think....!
 
Not sure how much of the assessment of the smoothness falls on CRK vs the modifications made. It's possible the detent, etc, were tweaked to make it fire more reliably. Not saying that's what happened, but still....your observations are based on a modified knife, not one from CRK.

Smoothness is also relative. A lot of people confuse smoothness with looseness/ease of opening. My Sebenza is incredibly smooth...little/no change in pressure required throughout opening arc, zero grittiness, consistent feeling through opening. However, it doesn't open as easily as some of my other knives that have less felt resistance. Resistance does not automatically mean "not smooth."
 
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Missed the point. Your the one with the modified auto sebenza correct....??? How can you even judge anything about this knife and compare it to a stock one or even customs.....??? Everything on its been modified to make the auto work. Gotta have a stock one in hand to make such comparisons I would think....!
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My thoughts as well.
 
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It seems like an odd comparison , especially considering you're comparing a modded production knife to full-on customs. If you want to go that route,why not compare a brand new Sebenza to a brand new custom Emerson? Let me know when you can pick one for the same price. It seems like you didn't like the knife before you even got it, so why not leave it at that? Not every knife is for everyone.
 
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Hello wall.............Get a stock 21 and try it! You're comparing water melons to apples with your modded auto and a plain jane 21.

I don't understand why anyone would want a CRK auto as their first CRK. Different strokes.
 
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I did not say I don't like the knife. I think the design is good and I don't doubt the knife's usefulness or strength. I make the comparison because the Sebenza's fit and finish, tolerances, and smoothness are what are commonly quoted as being exceptional about this knife. From what people say about the various complex processes used to achieve them, I expected something that would at least be more impressive than something made a decade earlier by hand, especially considering that those makers set a price that they believed was fair for the amount of work and materials going into those knives and that price happened to be approximately on par with the Sebenza.

I am not sure how the auto modification has anything to do with the knife's fit and finish and smoothness. Nothing has been done to the pivot and nothing that might affect fit and finish has been done. It's highly improbable that Vallotton would have intentionally made the knife less smooth; that would certainly not aid the automatic function.
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No one is saying that the mods DID affect the knife's smoothness...we're saying that because the knife has been modified in a pretty serious way, you really shouldn't use this knife as your yardstick of the Sebenza. A Sebenza from CRK is going to be more representative of the knives as a whole versus one that has had the action modified.
 
Sorry for coming off sounding like a d*&^ as that wasn't my intent, but you're making a comparison that doesn't make sense, quite frankly. In the better part of a decade owning countless Sebenzas and a decent number of customs, my CRKs compare very favourably. Even more so if you take price and availability into account. I can't speak to what a custom Emerson or Terzuola feels like, as I've never owned one. Based on their prices and availability, it's also unlikely I ever will. But, to this point, you can't really give complete thoughts on a stock Sebenza, either. My take is Sebenzas are a pretty unique beast, offering custom quality products at fair(not cheap) prices on a production scale.
 
You really do want this to be a custom made knife from 10yrs ago from what I am gathering,..so why would you compromise what you believe and not get it?
As stated earlier, CRK's are not for everyone, but generally speaking, those that do "click" with them understand them and become fans of the designs as well as the service provided therein.

Again,..It's hard to see what your goal is with this other than to state repeatedly that you do not understand the hype..You do not need our permission or anybodies permission to like, or not like the Sebenza or any other manufacturers knife :)
 
I hear what you are saying. Please try and garner from some of the posts above mine that (I believe) people are trying to point out that your observations may be unique to the specimen you have, and may or may not be the result of the history (and contributors to that history) of the knife.

I am troubled by any statements to the effect of smoothness (by anyone). If the blade swings like a free hanging pendulum under its own weight when the lock bar is pressed to the side, how can anything be smoother? If any sebenza is not this smooth, it may be the result of several things, and many if not all of them can be remedied.

Regardless of anything, you have an interesting knife and I hope you can enjoy it for what it is, but also appreciate what it may not be (a perfect representation of a Sebenza as CRK intended it).
 
And, yes, I TRULY understand the hype of which you speak. Years ago, I entered into the CRK owners club and felt the same sense of "underwhelm". Honestly, years later, I appreciate them differently and more than I did back then.

Perhaps, you will develop a different appreciation over time? I am not saying you are incapable now (so please do not suppose I am implying anything regarding "knife maturity" or anything like that), I am just suggesting that aspects of appreciation may change over time for many of us.

But, yeah....I tell a lot of people on the precipice of purchase not to expect superman's cape to be sttuffed in that little box, and sparks should not be expected to emanate from any of your orifaces upon receipt. Some people probably go a little too far with explaining the joy they get from a CRK (and I am probably one of them);)
 
Yea, a heavily modified Sebenza really is not an accurate example and should not be used to judge CRKs products.

I have Regular Sebenzas from right about 10 yeas ago and today they are indeed some of the smoothest knives I have encountered. You might want to try and pick up one of those. :)
 
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