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So if Tom Mayo pimped a Sebenza would someone reviewing the evenness of the blade's bevels no longer have valid observations? Would that person be wrong if he took issue with the way the lockface was finished, because it's a pimped knife? If the finish on a standoff is not completely even all the way around or if the chamfering is not exactly even all the way around the frame, is that Tom's fault because he drilled on a completely unrelated part of the frame? Is it now Tom Mayo's knife "using Sebenza parts", and no longer representative of Sebenza quality in aspects that had nothing to do with the modification?

Are you saying the Sebenza has uneven chamfers, and other cosmetic issues? Related to CRK manufacturing processes? (of course, regardless of the pimping)
If so, how are you measuring this unevenness?

There is a reason I am asking..One of the reasons is, I have made parts for those Sebenza's before; I have seen the prints and know the tolerances of many of the parts and how they are scrutinized..
As far as the lockface goes,..who says that any one of the previous owners DIDN'T do something to it?

If I were you, I would just get rid of it and stick with your customs, like I have stated in this thread at least 3x..Be done with it...You are obviously not getting the answer you want..CRK isn't likely to do anything with the albatross that you bought, as has been stated, is no longer a CRK.
 
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I sure hope you make sure to fully disclose all of these issues when you sell it.
 
Wow. Just......wow.

I do not maintain high enough standards for my knives. I have looked for all the wrong things in knives. FFS.
 
Tang has a ~0.1mm blemish.
Chamfer on the jimping area on the non-presentation spine side is very slightly narrower on the middle 1/5 of the grooves. No such unevenness on the presentation side.
Chamfer right next to the butt end near the pocket clip on the lock side has a very slight taper while the respective presentation side chamfer is completely straight.
Lockface is not completely flat, there is a ~0.5mm facet at a slightly different angle in its lower left hand corner near where the lockface terminates. Thankfully this is not where the blade tang contacts it.
Inner chamfer of the part of the scale nearest lockface is slightly wider on the presentation side scale than the lockside scale. Otherwise all the inner chamfering is perfectly even.
Grind is ~0.5mm higher on the lock side than it is on the presentation side. (N.B. my Terzuola has a slightly larger inconsistency, about ~1mm, but keep in mind that blade was hand-ground)
Blue anodized standoff has uneven anodizing - not very apparent normally but when disassembled and this part is examined closely it is there.
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I am pretty sure what you have here is a Kevin John fakes that was mistakenly modified by Valloton, or someone else. Some pics would be nice, but really sounds like you were taken for a ride with one of the better Chinese copies.
 
Call me crazy, but it would seem your dislike for the Sebenza was already premeditated. You obviously never liked or wanted a Sebenza from the get go, because they never appealed to you. And I feel the only reason you acquired this modified variation is because of the "cool" factor of being only 1 of 8 ever made; which in turn made you feel special. Hence your words not mine, "There are only eight or so of them in the pushbutton configuration so I knew I was going to keep this one whether I liked it or not because I got it at a good price." Seriously??? Why keep something that doesn't do it for you?

Also, I've noticed throughout your "observation" almost every statement was contradicting to the last. Meaning every time you would say something good about the Sebenza, not many words later you'd say something bad as though it would go unnoticed. Let's be honest....... you really don't like the knife other than the the fact it's a (1 of 8) D/A.

If you look at the majority of the comments in response to your rant....... almost everyone answered and gave their opinions in the utmost professional way, not to mention friendly. Which is an admirable accomplishment in itself. Do you really think in any other sub-forum you'd be able to "try" and tear down a makers prized creation (in this case the Sebenza) that's a well respected entity in the knife industry, dare I say groundbreaking with the inclusion of the frame lock....... with these absurd comments/statements??? I'll answer that for you, "NO"! But the cherry on top is the fact that the knife that you have the audacity to "try" and belittle is not even a (true) thoroughbred Sebenza, it's modified; which voids this conversation ENTIRELY. Don't believe me?!?! Call CRK (or any other Manufacturer) and voice your concerns/problems with said knife. Then right before you're about to hang up and end the conversation. Say "Oh yeah, before I send it in....... I thought you should know it was modified into a (D/A)." Haha, it made me laugh :-) just thinking about the outcome. But basically, it would be around the lines of telling you it's nothing that could be done without "actually" telling you....... this FOOL (<--- not directed at you) has wasted both of our times.

And by the way, how did we go from the "modified" Sebenza's smoothness or lack there of....... to this scientific breakdown that you posted above, that you acquired through microscope :-)??? Too me it seemed you made such prejudice, ONLY to justify your statements and to demote the members who spoke highly of their Sebenza's experiences and qualities. You can say you didn't, but I've seen it too many times before. A lot of times individuals dislike to admit when they're wrong (or in your case got a BAD apple)....... so they take all the information they can to "justify" their commentary and berate others. If that isn't the case....... how about we just, "Agree to Disagree" and leave it at that. The Sebenza isn't for you, just as (insert Manufacturer) isn't for others. But to come in that manufacturers house (forum) and tell them the "hype" that surrounds their (creation) knife isn't JUSTIFIED, because of some jacked up modded (which makes it not their problem) knife....... is a joke!

The Sebenza has won Awards many times over, for the exact same things you complain about (e.g.) Fit/Finish, Tolerances, etc. Don't believe me? Look it up....... I would list them here, but my fingers would get tired :-).

And please, please, please stop saying that your Sebenza is "Stock" other than the modifications. There is no such thing, and you of all people should know that....... http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...hen-you-describe-the-condition-of-your-knives

See from the link above. You saying your Sebenza is stock other than the (what you trying to make it seem like) simple modification. Is the equivalent of me saying my knife is "Mint" other than sharpening it to a mirror edge, stonewashing the blade, and adding jimping :-). Or my knife is "Brand New" never used, carried, or sharpened. The "Only" signs of wear are a few snail trails on the pocket clip, and one scratch on the blade from fondling. Say what?!?! Haha, see the contradiction there. So basically you're saying your knife is "Stock" other than the guy cutting/drilling a hole in the handle (for the push button), and putting in a sear which is mounted on the presentation side scale....... everything is "Stock". Sounds kind of funky/funny/weird doesn't it?!?!

By the way, when you first brought this "jewel" of a knife to the CRK forums attention....... you stated concern to the washer contacting the blade. Which later, the seller had rectified by stating "He had loosened the pivot prior to storage and the photo was taken before tightening." Did you ever ask him why it was loosened in the first??? Maybe that has something to do with your smoothness issue....... you know like him loosening it to make the knife easier to open (or more smooth). Just a thought :-).

(P.S.) I know emotions are not translated well over text, so please understand that the manner in which I speak....... is as cordial as an over the internet conversation will allow and the complete opposite of rude :-). I would love to become friends and we voice our "opinions" over different knives and such, anytime. The knife community is truly a special place, and has plenty room for different likes and tastes. So just because you, me, or others don't like a knife....... doesn't mean that there isn't someone out there who does. And that's okay!

Also, sorry if some areas of my text are mangled, or have typos :-). I was tiring from the long-winded reply and am a one take kind of guy at times....... so no breaks or preparation was taken in consideration to this response :-). It would of been much easier to have this conversation in person, but I think you (and everyone) can grasp a good understanding or generalization of what I was saying.
 
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I really wish a mod would move this thread to Whine & Cheese and have some of the regular posters on W & C have a Great Time with

asdf12345 about his thread. Everyone here has been polite. This thread would torn apart on W & C....where I really think it belongs.


asfd12345 Just Doesn't Get It. We've all tried....Hello Wall. It's Really hard to talk to a wall.
 
Mr. Asdf... Will you post multiple pics from multiple angles of this particular Seb? Preferably, pics of it both assembled as well as disassembled. I am curious to have a look...
 
^^^^^ I expected a response from you like this (Pick & Choose). :)

By the way, you still haven't answered my question....... "Why was the pivot loosened in the first place?" ;)

Also again, "How did we go from smoothness, to this scientific break down of the Sebenza?"

I guarantee if you inspect any knife every made as thoroughly (or through a "microscope" <--- joking/sarcasm) as you have this modified (with emphasis on modified) Sebenza....... you're bound to find flaws or something wrong with said knife.

Come on now, buddy. Me and you both know there's not anything on earth "perfect"....... maybe in the eye's of the beholder, but that's subjective and is another conversation all in itself :-). I've told you, "Let's just Agree to Disagree."

But what it seems you are failing to realize is the Sebenza is perfect (by the definitions standards below) to many here in the forums and worldwide.

Sorry, don't want to clog up the thread....... so just go to Google and type "perfect definition" in the search bar, and it will give you the answer you seek.
 
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Yeah, I agree with some of the people here. I too would like to see pictures of the knife dissasembled, and of the internals.
It almost sounds like the spring might be touching the blade, or the stop pin might have been modified to fit the mechanism in there. Or simply, this was a fake CRK (I hope not).
Another question, have you lubed the pivot area? I know it sounds dumb, but I've forgotten to lube some of my CRKs when I'd clean them out, and they weren't as smooth.
I've had multiple CRK's (around 20 or so) all from different years. And all of them were smooth after the break in.
 
Funny stuff, but small imperfections like the ones I described are what I have experienced from many precision-made factory produced knives that were not CRK. Again I ask, if someone with only files, bandsaws and drill presses at his disposal can make sure the lockface is perfect and can radius his scales almost completely symmetrically, then why should details like that be not superior on a CNC-produced knife whose major selling point and area of praise is F&F?

How can you say that they are not? You DO NOT HAVE ANY REASON TO BELEIVE that all of the problems you list came from CRK, nor can you prove that a previous owner(s) did not produce the problems you lament.

How does the D/A mechanism have anything to do with the tang blemish, the imperfect lockface, the uneven chamfering, and the spotty anodization? Did Vallotton get this knife and decide to hit the tang with a chisel, then make a little dent in the lockface, remachine the frames so that the chamfers are uneven, and take a piece of sandpaper to the standoff?





Again, how does the D/A mechanism have anything to do with the tang blemish, the imperfect lockface, the uneven chamfering, and the spotty anodization?


I am not sure why this would mean the knife shouldn't be smooth. If a manufacturer makes a knife to be smooth, and then the consumer loosens the pivot and then tightens it back up, does that mean that the knife should suddenly not be as smooth? Or maybe it was Vallotton again who decided to sand the washers with 120 grit just for kicks.

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All of your posts here speak as if the knife left Chris Reeve's hands by way of Vallotton's hand, and left Vallotton's hand by way of your hand. You are seemingly failing to consider the other several hands that perhaps tried to "service" this thing over the years...you must realize that CRK certainly did not do any of the service. How can you have such confidence in all the previous owners....AND at the same time think that the last owner both took immaculate care of it, AND sold it so cheap?

These concepts should not be adding up for you....They sure wouldn't for me!


That is just the routine SERVICE...that if done improperly can pinch a washer and make a knife less smooth....I won't even talk about the DIY "finish" jobs I have seen posted over the years that people try to either hide snail trails or otherwise "improve" the look of function of the knife....just look around at some of the discussions going on in other threads...it happens all the time...do you really believe that NONE of these people could possibly cause and blemishes like you speak of?
 
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How can you say that they are not? You DO NOT HAVE ANY REASON TO BELEIVE that all of the problems you list came from CRK, nor can you prove that a previous owner(s) did not produce the problems you lament.

I've stayed out of this since my first post and was planning to stay mute, but I do want to say that your point is extremely relevant. It's really not possible to make most of the OP's criticisms fairly when the knife in question is (1) used and (2) modified.

On the other side of the ledger, though, I do want to say that I think the OP has been uncommonly polite through this whole thread. Threads like this almost always become horrors - this one is staying quite civil even though there are a lot of strongly-felt disagreements. Kudos for all of us, really. :)
 
That large sebenza will get smoother over time.

Every bearing knife I had, was smooth initially and gets gritty as it ages.

Very few knives get SMOOTHER as it ages.
 
On the other side of the ledger, though, I do want to say that I think the OP has been uncommonly polite through this whole thread. Threads like this almost always become horrors - this one is staying quite civil even though there are a lot of strongly-felt disagreements. Kudos for all of us, really. :)

Id certainly agree with you there. It can be frustrating when something seems obvious and another does not see it the same way. I hope things stay civil.

I hope that I have not come across harshly, but I must admit feeling the frustration. There are some obvious time gaps that cannot be accounted for in the life of this knife. I am not taking shots at the OP or Mr. Vallotton, and I certainly fail to see how it should be concluded that a shot should be taken at Mr. Reeve when so many other obvious suspects have not been ruled out.

Thanks and good night.
 
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