Infi and their non-existant competition

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Well that makes more sense. They tested Busse knives that were made of INFI....not INFI steel in thier own knives.
 
I don't know where to start.

From the links provided they had a bend test on finished knives.

The geometry of the blade is the most critical part of that test and it was not controlled. I can't see how they would get any valuable data from the test.

If I remember my strength of materials, the bending strength is determined by cross section and the modulus of elasticity. Since Infi is designed to resist chipping, it has to be more ductle than brittle and the modulus of elasticity may have suffered.

The only conclusion that I can draw from this is that Busse and Fallkniven made different compromises in their knives. Fallkniven wants to make a knife that will survive a fall from chest height on to concrete, Busse wants to make a knife that can break up a concrete drive way (which has been done).

So which compromise was better? It depends on the aplication. But to dismiss a steel as inferior after a single (unscientific) test (with a major variable uncontrolled) is stupid.
 
wash said:
So which compromise was better? It depends on the aplication. But to dismiss a steel as inferior after a single (unscientific) test (with a major variable uncontrolled) is stupid.
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Well said.
 
In addition, the Busse results remain unpublished and hence merely a matter of hearsay. If they believe the test has merit, then they should publish the specific results of their Busse testing alongside.
 
I have conducted many tests of both scientific and non kind and have conclusively proven that when I chop with VG-10 steel, that I will roll out of the left side of my bed and when I "tinkle", will groan and grunt where as when I chop with infi, I spring outta bed, run for the window and grunt like a dying pig. Furthermore, studies have shown the neighbor living below me tends to call the police 95% of the time.

Thus my conclusion is that even though I read, reread, and rereread what you guys are typing, I still don't get it. Each company produces a fine product, uses a good steel and make people happy. This is good. If it were not good, it would be bad.:eek: :thumbup: :cool:
 
KnifeAddictAK said:
I have conducted many tests of both scientific and non kind and have conclusively proven that when I chop with VG-10 steel, that I will roll out of the left side of my bed and when I "tinkle", will groan and grunt where as when I chop with infi, I spring outta bed, run for the window and grunt like a dying pig. Furthermore, studies have shown the neighbor living below me tends to call the police 95% of the time.

Thus my conclusion is that even though I read, reread, and rereread what you guys are typing, I still don't get it. Each company produces a fine product, uses a good steel and make people happy. This is good. If it were not good, it would be bad.:eek: :thumbup: :cool:
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Oh I see...you left your medication in Atlanta...:D
 
What I find refreshing is that Busse and Fallkniven have found steels that offer excellent userbilities and that it would seem both gentleman have found a customer base that supports them and they in return listen to and support. I feel that this pissing contest of what is better is detracting from both companies as many people look at the customer base and experiences and weigh that in their decision on making the purchase.

Our actions not only affect ourselves, but those around us and those we don't realize are around us. The great thing about Busse Combat, since when I first joined the group is that we never trash talk other companies. Be it that they may not do the same, but that's what differientiated the forum from others that attracted and lured me here. :)
 
XMP said:
In addition, the Busse results remain unpublished and hence merely a matter of hearsay. If they believe the test has merit, then they should publish the specific results of their Busse testing alongside.
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Of course they can't do that, for obvious reasons.

I think we can put this argument to rest. I'm no longer interested in whether or not INFI is a more expensive material than other blade materials.
I thought Fällkniven AB had tested INFI steel (which would mean that INFI is not exclusive to Busse, and not as expensive as claimed in the second post in this thread), but i had misinterpreted the information at hand.
 
KnifeAddictAK said:
What I find refreshing is that Busse and Fallkniven have found steels that offer excellent userbilities and that it would seem both gentleman have found a customer base that supports them and they in return listen to and support. I feel that this pissing contest of what is better is detracting from both companies as many people look at the customer base and experiences and weigh that in their decision on making the purchase.

Our actions not only affect ourselves, but those around us and those we don't realize are around us. The great thing about Busse Combat, since when I first joined the group is that we never trash talk other companies. Be it that they may not do the same, but that's what differientiated the forum from others that attracted and lured me here. :)
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huh???:confused: :confused: :confused:

i thought it was for the sex :confused:






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peter469 said:
Of course they can't do that, for obvious reasons.

I think we can put this argument to rest. I'm no longer interested in whether or not INFI is a more expensive material than other blade materials.
I thought Fällkniven AB had tested INFI steel (which would mean that INFI is not exclusive to Busse, and not as expensive as claimed in the second post in this thread), but i had misinterpreted the information at hand.
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Peter... I'm glad you found us. Please join in more and if any of these guys give you a hard time, I'll put on my armor and joust them to death :D
 
pbubsy said:
I say we chop a Fallkniven in half :thumbup: :D care to send one?
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Nope, but if you lend me one of your large Busse's, i'll gladly try to destroy one of my Fällkniven's with it. Destruction is always fun! :D I don't want to wreck my MOASH and using one of my wardens wouldn't be as fun :p
 
Fallkniven can publish any results that they produce. Just like Cliff Stamp or any other "knife tester"

The only risk is if they release results that can't be duplicated. Then they would be accused of lying.

They can't hide behind "obvious reasons".
 
in short - INFI is not beyond comparison in individual attributes, such as corrosion resistance, lateral strength, torque strength, plasticity, wear resistance, hardness, shock resisitance etc

But when taking into consideration all attributes at the same time - busse scores higher in all of them at the same time then any other steel.

Those steels that acheive a higher degree of performance in any one of them will noticably suffer in other important attributes.


"cc bevel" patent comment from jerry -
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=357192&highlight=patent

a comment by ron hood regarding the patent (post #13, qouted but I'm sure you could find the original thread if it still exists)-
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=264337&highlight=patent

folder patent -
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=463955&highlight=patent

talon hole trademark comment - post #8
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=255171&highlight=patent

nuts. I'll keep looking after work.
 
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