INFI ~ False sense of Security ?

Brendan said:
So, I haven't checked in for ages (been so busy) but something quite scary happened to me tonight !


I was at my inlaws place doing some DIY, my wife stopped by to drop off my jigsaw and told me one of the twins had fallen asleep and she wanted to bring her in to sleep in the house as she was going to to the shops (can't eave her sleeping in the car). So I carry on with my cutting as the light is fading. Anyway; I hear this loud aggressive barking and my wife shrieking. Unfortunately, I knew exactly what is was - the neighbor has 2 very aggressive dogs (a Doberman and a German Shepherd). The Doberman has bitten 3 people ! I feared the worst, were my kids outside the car, 3 foot high facing this vicious dog ?

I sprinted out the driveway; my wife had made it back into the car with Sophie in her arms and Leala was in the car. This flippin Doberman was about 5 meters behind the car and it came at me. I had my cultie at my belt (was using it to cut the rope from the roof rack and for the DIY tasks). I screamed at the dog; stepping toward it and it started backing down. It then changed it's mind and came at me again, I stamped my feet and shouted more while pointing the Culti at the dog. The neighbor was letting his guests out the house and I kept going at the dog until it turned and went back inside it's gate ! I went to check on my wife and took them inside - I didn't want to talk to the neighbors as I was so angry and wound up !

When the adrenalin subsided, I began thinking. What the hell was I doing, what chance would I have stood. I was lucky I guess, the dog didn't attack me. I would have stabbed a few holes in him but can't help but wonder what he would have done to me ?
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There was a story here last week where a member used a spyderco folder to kill two pit bulls, so your knife would have been just fine.
 
can you try to befriend the dogs? i understand your concern and you are completely right, however it is your neighbor. i was taking out the garbage the other day and a pit walked up on me within petting distance. i didnt even consider the risk until a few seconds went buy, luckily i was fine.
 
First of all I am glad no one was injured. That's the best outcome.

Sounds to me that the dog's owner is at fault. Owning aggressive or potentially aggressive breeds is a huge responsibility. If you are not ready and able do not attempt ownership.

I am sorry you had this encounter.

If there was ever a reason to carry protection the many stories here spelled out offer some good examples. And the threat may not be a dog next time, just sayin'.
 
A Human with a knife can inflict fatal injuries quite easily. You might have been bit, but you would have prevailed. Like other's have stated, I would not take the chance of this occuring while your gone to the wife or kid's. This Dog would be history if the owner can't honor his obligation's on keeping them contained at all times. I have read too many stories of children and adults being killed or mauled to tolerate this crap.
 
Well done Brendan......I am glad to hear that everyone safe and sound but you can be sure that you have not seen the last of those dogs.

Bud Natal being what it is you need to get yourself a carry gun...... I am away just now but if you need any help with licenses etc I can turn you on to a couple of excellent blokes in Durbs who would be glad to help you. e-mail me if I can help in any way.......

Cheers
Steven
 
after I read about one fellow killing a bear with a buck 110 defending himself, I'm pretty sure any knife would do to defend your life against an animal attack.
 
First, good on you. Family first.

Second, I agree with the comments re: sending lead downrange.

Third, if you can't do #2 above....you need to use your SS4!! The SS4 is a lightweight, insanely badass defense knife. You get the mudders for grip, and a mean 4" blade made from INFI.
 
I'm very glad you and your family are safe and well.

That being said, what does INFI have to do with this? Why would any other decent steel have given you any less sense of security? I'm scratching my head here.
 
You hate to hear this stuff but LEGALLY, a dog gets one free bite, of practically any magnitude save and except a lethal one. After that pooch is fair game. Add to that your domicile and family and he's really fair game. Three bites should be reported to proper authorities. What's worse is someone has MADE that dog aggressive. Idiots are everywhere and having kids too.

I've been told to stand your ground, make yourself as big as possible and yell as you did. Be the alpha dog. I'd also have a serious discussion with your neighbor about the issue.

Maybe Tim can weigh in as he's been around guard dogs a long time.
 
The guys are right. Body language is extremely important. I was working construction and building a deck for a guy when his dog came after me. His wife got this 120pound lab as a rescue and the dog really just needed put down. It has a history of biting people and it thought I would make a easy meal. I was walking down some outdoor steps when it ran at me. I saw it coming and braced my self for it. It took a bite out of my long pants just missing
My knee. I had pulled out my SOG Trident and was getting ready to stab the dog in the neck when the owner grabbed it from behind and called it off. If I do anymore work there I will be carrying my ScrapYard 511 and I will tell the owner to lock up his f@&$ing dog.
 
You have to have the mindset that you are the bigger dog. Everyone is correct about body language and working with what you have on hand. I helped train civilian and police dogs for drug and protection work and learned a few things along the way. First and foremost is that if the situation escalates you will get bitten, that is a dogs only tool. If you understand that this is going to happen the easiest way to get out of the situation is to get a good hold of a back leg by whatever means and work on tearing it off. A dogs hips are meant to bend in a very acute angle. Grab the leg and try to lift over your head and or spin the head of the dog away from you. I know it sounds heard to actually attempt, but it is the easiest way to end the fight. Admittedly a firearm or a long stick/pole works much better but if you had that you likely wouldn't need to go hand to jaws in the first place. Glad it didn't get physical.
 
You seriously undervalue the effect of "a few stabs". Consider the effect of stabbing your own torso a few times with your Culte. I invite you to think about your organs in your torso. You need these organs. If you find yourself in that truly unfortunate situation - kill the dog. You may get bit up but as many have said in this thread, you will be fine.
 
It's stories like these that affirm my decision to start carrying a fixed blade. My EDC SAK just isn't up for quick deployment tasks like this, but invaluable in a multitude of other situations. Keep your family safe by any means necessary. While I'm an animal lover; if my family is on your menu, you're on mine. A lucid, logical, critically thinking brain, and thumbs keep you on my menu.
 
highpointforge said:
You hate to hear this stuff but LEGALLY, a dog gets one free bite, of practically any magnitude save and except a lethal one. After that pooch is fair game. Add to that your domicile and family and he's really fair game. Three bites should be reported to proper authorities. What's worse is someone has MADE that dog aggressive. Idiots are everywhere and having kids too.

I've been told to stand your ground, make yourself as big as possible and yell as you did. Be the alpha dog. I'd also have a serious discussion with your neighbor about the issue.

Maybe Tim can weigh in as he's been around guard dogs a long time.
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Your actions were spot on.

I received a good bit of advice a long time ago. If the dog advances and you have a knife (even a shorter one or a folder) you should offer your weak arm. Once the dog locks on you have a clear shot at an eye, ear hole, rear of skull, top of spine, and neck. Dispatching the dog fast is key to mitigating personal damage. In a 2 dog scenario the 2nd dog will be attacking low or going for you free arm. Taking care of dog 1 fast will improve your chances of survival.

It sounds crazy and I can only hope I would have the balls to pull it off but that is my plan.

Thanks RUNIT. This guy is awesome http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/s...-spyderco-vs-2-pit-bulls?highlight=dog+attack
 
Glad to hear everything turned out fine. I'll have to say that your attitude and the way you presented yourself to the dogs did more than the knife. Although even a tiny knife can give yourself the confidence to do so.

My 5 foot nothing wife handles any dog better than I can, and I'm much taller and larger than her. She has an uncanny "dog whisperer" ability, even with aggressive ones. I keep trying to convince her to carry a knife or pepper spray when she goes for a walk around the neighborhood alone. But she handles herself with her body language and spoken language than most people would ever do so panicking and heavily armed.

Until there's an INFI folder there's no way I can EDC an effective fixed blade since I live in Los Angeles. INFI is my trusty trail knife when hiking.
 
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