INFI ~ False sense of Security ?

You hate to hear this stuff but LEGALLY, a dog gets one free bite, of practically any magnitude save and except a lethal one. After that pooch is fair game. Add to that your domicile and family and he's really fair game. Three bites should be reported to proper authorities. What's worse is someone has MADE that dog aggressive. Idiots are everywhere and having kids too.

I've been told to stand your ground, make yourself as big as possible and yell as you did. Be the alpha dog. I'd also have a serious discussion with your neighbor about the issue.

Maybe Tim can weigh in as he's been around guard dogs a long time.

The one free bite thing is not everywhere,it varies greatly from city to city and county to county.
There are ways to posture yourself to communicate to the dog depending on what type aggression he is showing.Hard for me to go into it here as it can get a bit complicated.One example is if a dog is showing dominant aggression you should lean toward the dog with your arm raised slightly forward of your body.If you lean back with your arm raised behind your head he will think you are showing weakness and may attack.It is never a good idea to run unless you are sure you can get to safety before the dog gets to you.Running can trigger an attack and you can not outrun the dog.
I will try to find my text book that shows the illustrations and post a pic.
 
Some one just posted about this topic in another (on here) forum. He killed two? Pits that attacked him. Used a spiderco native? He got bit on the off hand.
 
use the talon and handle holes on your skinny ash (designed for dog fighting) and lash it to a 6 foot bamboo pole. that works very well. other than that draw your pistol and dispatch the critter with one well placed shot!



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infi is to dogs as holy water is to vampires. that's a proven fact!



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Rob Stanley and Murray would like to have a word with you :p

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can you try to befriend the dogs?
That might work with some breeds, but unless you are the Dog whisperer, and you are dealing with a full grown Dobie or a Shep..they are not known to be easily subdued, especially when upset.
From my experience, If they are aggressing, fear & intimidation are the minimum force to make them back down.
 
Pleased it went well and you and your family are safe :thumbup:

You still have a dangerous situation so you need to report the incident to the Police and BOTH you and your wife attend to give a statement ...

Then if anything ever happens again you're on the record having reported it ... get your in laws to corroborate it too ...

If you kill one of his dogs or both ... watch out he does'nt go get a gun ... plenty will do ... get your family in doors ... call the police ... and have a firearm handy just in case ...
I am suprised you have'nt got a pistol which you carry and another for the wife in the car ... SA is'nt a forgiving place ... hopefully you can redress this aspect ... carry a cheap camera in the car too ... motor accidents or car jackings ... pic's of what happened always helps :thumbup:
 
This flippin Doberman was about 5 meters behind the car and it came at me.

You lost me at meters :) I think you would have stood a good chance, especially with a knife, but I can understand your concern. The good news is, they don't have hands. Had it attacked, it probably would have been the most terrifying 10 seconds of your life resulting in a dead dog, a bite mark, and possibly soiled undergarments :D
 
we don't have a police dept. who can respond in time to save your child from having her or his jugular vein ripped from your their body.
if you do not have a kid then you haven't a lot to talk about in this thread. bottom line is kill the threat, man or beast, it's your job unless you are a pussy!
skunk out...





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Thanks for all the replies lads.

Sad story though, went to visit the outlaws last night (a few very much needed glasses offed wine after the week I had). When I pulled up, everyone was in the driveway and the neighbors wife (on the other side) was sitting on the floor with her little terrier. the husband had the lab. The flippenn dobbie was out again and it had a go at her and the terrier! Again, nothing serious happened but she was pretty shaken up and was crying. She is angry with the dobbie owners as she heard yelping the other night - they obviously beat the poor dog !!

It's only a matter of time before this pooch goes to doggie heaven. If he comes at me again, I will put him out of his misery !

Cops are shite here !
 
We just had to put our dog down. It's really sad, when an animal suffers from the owners incompetence. I love dogs, but here it can only end badly for the dog. The owner seriously deserve a good punch to the face.
 
I'm very sorry to hear that, Volk--dogs are some of my favorite people, and the ones I keep are part of my nuclear family, as far as I'm concerned.

I really do think there's an advantage to growing up around large animals. We had huge dogs when I was a baby (and all the rest of the way through my life) and I also spent a lot of time around horses, cows and pigs. When you learn, at five, to just push on the 1500 pound bull until he gets his big butt out of your way, there isn't really a dog in the world you ever fear, and the lack of fear makes for lack of incident, 99 times out of 100. Does that mean a dog couldn't hurt me? Of course not. The bull could have hurt me too (hell if it had stepped on me it could have killed me), but I seemed like I was in charge and for just about all animals this works. This same phenomena is why many people can walk right through a swarm of bees and not get stung, where others are in serious danger doing the same thing. You can't just ACT like you're in charge, you actually have to KNOW you're in charge.

I have only ever run from an animal encounter once, and that was cutting through somebody's private property when I was hiking in Colorado and had fallen and--I thought--broken my wrist (turned out to be a bad sprain). I was cutting across it instead of walking around the seemingly infinite fence to shave a few miles off of my return to my truck, and when I was about 100 yards from having crossed I heard the sonorous baying of a BUNCH of dogs in the distance. Knowing the difference between self confidence and stupidity, I turned around and bolted for that barbed wire, getting to it about fifteen seconds ahead of the pack of a dozen-or-so large mutts (I couldn't distinguish any particular breed among them, but a lot looked like each other so I'd guess a couple litters from the same parents). What really scared me was knowing for a fact that that little four foot fence was not a REAL barrier to a big dog---if I could jump it so could they, and probably without falling on their butts like I had. Fortunately, however, they seemed to genuinely recognize that this marked the end of their territory, and just consented to bark and growl at me until I'd walked far enough away.

I was armed, as always, but with a revolver--and still would have had a half dozen entirely unhurt pooches to deal with after making my absolute best argument, assuming I hadn't missed any which is a big assumption. Couple that with the fact that they were defending their property and I had no right to be on it, I would have had serious problems violently defending myself, both legally and within my own conscience. Plus, the dogs' owner might just grab his deer rifle in that situation...I know if somebody trespassed onto MY property and shot MY dog while "defending" himself, he'd have just opened himself up to a whole new threat.

That segway aside, the long and short of it is dealing with animals is an experiential thing, like pretty much everything else. My niece is almost four, and has two Catahoulas in her daily life that weigh about 90 pounds, and she loves them but has absolutely no patience for them not doing what she wants them to do. The old one will occasionally growl at her if she drops part of her snack and grabs it up again before he can get it, and she'll just point at him and angrily shout "No, Murphy!" which will invariably make him tuck his tail and move away. When I've visited them, it's funny to watch their mailman be almost too afraid to approach the door because of the barking dogs, while the three foot tall blonde munchkin inside rules them with a tiny iron fist. There isn't a doubt in her mind that she's in charge and, consequently, she IS in charge.
 
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It's only a matter of time before this pooch goes to doggie heaven. If he comes at me again, I will put him out of his misery !

Cops are shite here !

I appreciate that the cops in SA won't solve the problem ...

The thing with situations like that is "paving the way" so that if you solve the problem you have as least trouble as possible ...

Justifying self defense killings in SA can be straight forward ... but then again it can be a real risk if the people killed are open for political "gain" by politic's addressing the race card ...

When it is a neighbour thing it is likely to be a real time consuming pain before you know where you are at ... and if it ends up in a court case ... the more you have paved the way to show you were in the right ... the better :thumbup:

This guy sounds like the typical stereo type who is likely to esculate you killing his dog ... otherwise he would have acted more responsibly by now ...
 
after reading the latest of this thread i now have a change of heart. i think you should go beat the owners of these animals senseless and adopt the dogs. in the long run all will be happy.



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You imply, Skunk, that there's any sense to be beaten out of them. That's why I'm such a proponent of the phrase, "beat them bloody" as that's always an achievable aim regardless of the intended recipient. ;)
 
we don't have a police dept. who can respond in time to save your child from having her or his jugular vein ripped from your their body.
if you do not have a kid then you haven't a lot to talk about in this thread. bottom line is kill the threat, man or beast, it's your job unless you are a pussy!
skunk out...






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Right you are buddy. ;)
 
When the adrenalin subsided, I began thinking. What the hell was I doing, what chance would I have stood. I was lucky I guess, the dog didn't attack me. I would have stabbed a few holes in him but can't help but wonder what he would have done to me ?

Not that I'd suggest this at all, but in a real world scenario if you gave your left arm to the dog and had the presence of mind to maintain fighting stance and action, most dogs give up their neck to take the arm. A few good solid slashes and that dog wouldn't have a throat anymore, from then you'd just have to keep a boot in front of you to keep him at a legs distance until he bled out.

again: not at all what I'd suggest, but realistically it's something you can do.

What you did was probably the best option, it give each party some breathing room to deal with the aggressive dog in a way that can avoid legal suites, or allow you to file legal suites without severe long term physical damage.
 
you should have drawn your 1911 and nailed the snapper with a 180 grain corbon solid copper dpx flux decapasitater!




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On a Doberman? I would have used my 500 sw mag with 700 grain hard cast up his poop chute, just to test penetration
 
Not that I'd suggest this at all, but in a real world scenario if you gave your left arm to the dog and had the presence of mind to maintain fighting stance and action, most dogs give up their neck to take the arm. A few good solid slashes and that dog wouldn't have a throat anymore, from then you'd just have to keep a boot in front of you to keep him at a legs distance until he bled out.

again: not at all what I'd suggest, but realistically it's something you can do.=QUOTE]

This is exactly what I would have done. Going forward; if I walk to the outlaws I am going to carry my BAD and a thick jumper/long sleeve item of clothing. If the dog goes for me I will wrap my arm up and give it to him while I stay on my feet and turn him into a sieve !!
 
Years ago when I was a kid a neighbor's dog came at me in much the same way. My dad came out and threw a hammer at it, and our neighbor came out all mad he had attacked the dog--despite the fact that the dog took a pretty big bite out of my leg as I was running. My father was a hot head, and he said something like, "If that dog comes onto my property again I will kill it, I ain't afraid of you or prison buddy! Your dog hurt my kid, I hurt your dog. If it happens again, I'll kill your dog and hurt you!"

Neighbor fixed his fence and the dog never got back in. Not saying you should handle it as hot-headedly as my dear old dad did, but you should make it clear to the pet owner that if he values its life, he won't let it back onto your property. If he threatens legal action, gently remind him that as most parents, you're probably a lot more concerned about your child's safety than going to jail.
 
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