Input for Military 2.

Carlos

Carlos

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This is not an official request for a planned product.

AFAIK, there is no production plan for a Military 2 at this time. When I say "Military 2," I refer to an additional model that would be produced alongside the current linerlock Military. Sal has always said that the Military is a classic as a linerlock, just as the Police is a classic as a lockback, and that a compression lock Military would be an additional model, not a replacement for the classic Military. And there have been a lot of requests for a compression lock or even a front lock Military. As well as lot of scattered requests for other different features to "improve" the original Military. Here's a chance to consolidate all of those suggestions. So, let's hear it.

Two caveats:

1. Integral titanium compression lock a la ATR. This is very unlikely due to cost and manufacturing issues. Spyderco has found that it really can't offer an ATR-type knife without charging Sebenza-like prices. Hence the cancellation of the Ti ATR. Requests would likely be futile.

2. Carbon fiber scales. A carbon fiber Military sprint is already in production and will be out in the next couple months. You don't have to request it here, it is already coming.
 
plain old stainless compression lock would be fine, and one of the new wonder steels would be awesome also.

How about micarta slabs instead of g10?

Oh and as for steel, a coated non-stainless would be very intriguing, cpm 3v, 10v, etc for example.

One of these steels would make the knife great for slicing and edge holding as well as prying.

How about a pocket clip that doesn't have sharp edges which require filing?

Whatever it ends up being I'm sure it'll be a great knife, thanks for the opportunity to have some input. :D
 
A few points....

One: This knife already weighs 120g (4.2 ounces). Please keep it at the same weight! That is half the beauty of the military. Or if anything make it lighter...

Two: Almost any lock would be better than the liner lock. Compression, lockback, or something else equally strong...whatever allows a better lock, while achieving point number one.

Three: Don't have the word military on the blade. I think that's already been accomplished though.

Four: It would be nice if it wasn't s30v...Sal stated earlier he has some BG42 just waiting for the right project...this could be it. Or make it in Japan with vg10.

Five: Keep the blade geometry the same....Cliff Stamp did a review of the military vs. the para-military somewhere on this site...unforntuately, search doesn't seem to be working properly, but if I remember correctly:

Cliff liked everytthing about the military better than the para-military except the lock.

Because of this I've avoided buyng a military....I just won't buy any liner locks.

I've also avoided buying the para-military...because Cliff liked the military so much better.
 
Make it available in blue G-10 like the Yojimbo and Dodo.

Compression lock (don't make it a linerlock, that's the main reason people are asking for a different one).

BG-42 or DLC coated 3V steel.

Provision for Tip-up carry. The tip-down only carry of the current Military is the primary reason I've never tried, let alone purchased one.

or...

Keep it a linerlock, and make it a D/A scale release auto. Hey, I can dream, can't I? :D
 
I've had the liner lock on a Military fail, so I would like to see another lock. A compression lock would be nice, and a lockback would also be fine.

S30V, BG42, VG10 or even D2 would be great. S30V is fine by me, but I wish Spyderco would heat treat it to a higher RC.

I'd like to see the new Military acoomodate left/right tip up/down carry.

I prefer that the handle remain G10; you can't beat it for a secure grip.

Go back to the old style traction grooves.

Put "Military" back on the blade.
 
Such as the classic it is, and thus far I have had no problem's with the liner lock, it's simplicity has proved it's value through it's effectiveness.. for me anyway and it's lightness for it's size I cant see any great improvement's over what has been suggested bar for a change in blade steel.

However, unlikely as it may be a TI Military framelock a la ATR allthough would be deemed a new model entirely is very appealing, regardless of a higher price tag.
 
ambidextrous please, not a lefty, but I don't see why they should be left out, especially on a MILITARY, considering the wide variety of people in the service...

I would like VG10 or something easier to sharpen too.
 
I think a ball bearing lock would be really awesome. Maybe do it with a bigger ball than on the Dodo though. Left/right tip-up/down carry. Make the choil just a little bigger. Different color handles, like brown or blue. Personally, I like the Spyder-bug on the blade a lot more than "MILITARY." Some kind of new super-steel would be interesting too, but I also don't have any problems with the current S30V.
 
Suddenly everybody wants a BG-42 steel! Dreams come true.
I hope it would be enough BG-42 for a (sprint?) run of Lil' Temperance that Sal mentioned a few days ago.
If not BG-42 - then S125V (being an upgraded S90V on steroids) .
3V is better for larger knives - if you want non-stainless, then CPM M4 would be a challenge.

Franco
 
I'd like the Millie 2 to have a compression lock - as executed in the Para. I have nothing against the liner lock Millies, I have had four of them, worked hard, and never even came close to a failure. I just like the compression lock because for me, it works best when opening and closing the knife. Although not a leftie, I have used my Para with my left hand - well, just enough to see if I could do it, and I noticed that I could manipulate the compresion lock left handed - and I sure csn't do that with a liner lock.

As far as steel goes, I don't have the knowlege to make an informed comment, but I can be sure that whatever is chosen will be top notch. :D

Handle material should be G-10, in any color but blue. I think I would like olive or tan, and since the original is in black, why not go with something different for a Millie 2.

Chuck
 
I really like the Military size and shape. The lock is not really that important to me - all Spyderco locks are "dependable enough" for my purposes. The main feature I would like to see is the option of tip-up carry. All my EDCs are tip-up carry and I don't like to switch back and forth.

David
 
How about a true Military Jr. ? :cool:

To me the Para-Military is a totally different knife.

Keep the "shape" just shrink it down proportionately. Blade length 3 to 3.5 inches. Same lock as the Para or Manix. G-10 handle of course.

There's my $.02
 
Outlaw45 said:
How about a true Military Jr. ? :cool:
(to me the Para-Military is a totally different knife)

Keep the "shape" just shrink it down proportionately. Blade length 3 to 3.5 inches. Same lock as the Para or Manix. G-10 handle of course.

There's my $.02
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I think it is funny that you don't think that the Para is a "Military Jr." That was actually its original name. Though the concept was admittedly to make a shortened Military, not a shrunken one. :)
 
Carlos said:
I think it is funny that you don't think that the Para is a "Military Jr." That was actually its original name. Though the concept was admittedly to make a shortened Military, not a shrunken one. :)
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Well, It's like this....

I LOVE the Military.
I LOVE it's lines, shape, profile.

The Para-Military just does not have the same... ah.... clean lines. If ya know what I mean.

BTW... I do own both. :)
 
Heh, kind of like a bullpup rifle: Compact and powerful, but usually not pretty. ;)
 
Tip up pocket clip, that is the only thing I would change.

I have no problem with the lock and the shape and the materials.

OK, I'll go ahead and dream - Make it fully abmidexterous, tip up or down cary, keeping it at least as smooth and as confidently able to open and close, at least as solid, all at the same time keeping the weight and price the same.

Just make it able to cary tip up.
 
This is easy.

Make a pretty version that's just as good, but, well, pretty.

Damasteel for the blade, matte-finish random-weave carbon fiber scales, and of course a compression lock.
 
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